In March, Jesse Coren and Andrew Spelman, co-founders of the digital music-promotion agency Chaotic Good Projects, gave a live interview to a Billboard reporter at South by Southwest in which they breezily described using sock-puppet accounts to manufacture enthusiasm for artists at every level of the music industry, from major-label pop stars to niche indie acts. Spelman called the practice “trend simulation.” His motto: “Everything on the internet is fake.”
Chaotic Good’s interview went viral the old-fashioned way: by making lots of real people mad. Some were appalled by the cynicism of the company’s pitch, others by its client list, which included indie artists whose popularity fans preferred to imagine had spread organically. Most of the outrage focused on the Brooklyn band Geese and its frontman Cameron Winter, whose strangled, water-buffalo caterwaulings became inescapable in 2025. To skeptics, Chaotic Good seemed to provide the missing explanation for the group’s unexpected ubiquity. Wired called Geese’s success “a psyop,” which triggered Paste to defend the band in a piece headlined, “Congratulations, You Discovered Digital Marketing.” ...
But the fight over Geese missed the larger point. The issue wasn’t really whether one rock band had been fraudulently foisted on unsuspecting listeners. It was that the same techniques that Coren and Spelman bragged about onstage are now being used to fool people on every app they go to in order to find out what other people think, not just in music but across entertainment, politics, consumer products, and celebrity gossip. Shady marketing and propaganda aren’t new, of course, but what is new is that the entire infrastructure of public conversation has been quietly captured by both.
I worry that lemmy isn’t safe anymore. Some people here lack nuance to a degree that makes their realness unbelievable.
Theres a really good post on from reddit. Its probably 10 years old now. But it makes the case that majority of what you read online is the opinions of crazy people. Which makes sense why internet discourse is the way it is. I comment a lot and while I dont think I'm crazy I'm definitely closer towards the ends of the spectrum.
99% dont comment and of that last 1% its a small % of those that make up an outsized portion of the comments. The only people who engage that much tend to be outside of normal
https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_of_what_you_read_on_the_internet_is_written/
This. Exactly this. If you won't own up to your crazy, I will for my own crazy. But if you look back in time at what was written and by whom, I'd argue that it has always been this way, not just in the internet age.
There is a new comm that is posting fediverse stats. Would be interesting to see this breakdown.
Are you talking about me or in general ? I mean nuance isnt the Internets strong suit anyway. But that is why i said " as much as possible " in my post. I do use YouTube (with plugins blocking related videos and using newpipe on mobile) and I dont use any streaming services (I suppose if antenna pod counts, I use that).
I'm not gonna say ads dont affect me at all but I dont really see ads in my daily life other than maybe billboards etc and I can about guarantee a billboard has never made me want to buy anything. Usually I want to cut them down becuase they should be illegal.
In general. I don’t know you and your comment seemed fine.
There just seem to be whole instances growing that attract people who want to be oppositional and aggressive. They even make communities where they cherry-pick comments from their opposing instance and then they all circlejerk about how stupid their rivals are and how awesome they (themselves) are. All the while their rivals are doing the same thing. The comments are mostly just straw men.
It’s hard for me to believe that they’re all real people and not being pushed by malevolent actors or even bots ( I include people that get paid to post propaganda here).
It seems to be growing and I’m scared that lemmy will become unusable, at least for me.
I'm just an asshole sometimes. No bots or rulers making me comment !