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They are russian talking points and have been since this shitshow started.
Their state-owned TV has been parroting these for years at this point, in between unsubtle threats about nuking shit and straight-up lies about more or less anything conceivable.
If you can't admit that or are ignorant enough to not realise it, you're not really bringing anything worthwhile to this discussion.
Let's be real -- Both sides deploy propaganda to suit their own ends. Dismissing any evidence I'm putting forth as "Russian talking points" is just as fruitless as Tankies dismissing you guys as "NATO shills".
It's odd to me that left-leaning people readily acknowledge that the US/CIA has meddled extensively in many parts of the world, and has either overthrown (or helped to overthrow) sovereign nations across pretty much every continent, but when it comes to Ukraine suddenly the idea becomes unconscionable.
It's a bit different when you live an hour from the Russian border and have friends and/or family directly involved in the war.
Unless that's your reality, too, and you actually understand Russian and their general attitude towards anything west of them, you maybe, just maybe, are missing a few things here.
As for the CIA or US fuckery in general I think we all know they're just about everywhere. Ironically, it's probably a bit different now since the US are losing their soft power quite quickly, either by design or sheer idiocy.
I freely admit I'm no expert on the region, and I'm not claiming to have the full picture of the situation on the ground there.
I'm just advocating that we do our best to avoid binary type thinking when it comes to geopolitics, particularly when it involves Russia and the US/EU bloc.
I've lost four friends to this war so far. Two were actively fighting in the volunteer forces and hence knew what they signed up for. The other two very much didn't.
While the third was a random drone into his apartment, what the russians did to the fourth one I can't consider human by any standards whatsoever.
I also indirectly lost my father to this shit. He married a Russian a few years before the war and suddenly started saying the very same things you were writing here. She's from northern Russia but still supports the war and Putin to this day.
There's more, a lot more, but I don't particularly feel like writing more since it gets very personal. Just wanted to give some perspective.
That's just awful, I'm genuinely saddened to hear that. Thank you for sharing.
You are already biasing the picture by just pre-assuming that the US and the EU are the same or rather the EU is just a puppet of the US. This makes it a bit odd though that the US is employing similar propaganda against the EU as Russia does and openly supporting the very same anti-EU political movements in the EU, that Russia supports.