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marx didn't give the capitalists hell. he just told the truth and they thought it was hell
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Sorry about your capitalism brainwashing.
Sorry for moving from utter poverty to powerhouse economy rivaling UK. That wasn't the plan.
So you're Polish? Before you ask how I know: Poland is the only big economy which has improved somewhat in the 35 years following the dissolution of socialism. You're ignoring the hundreds of millions of Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Moldovan, Yugoslav, Hungarian... lives who went to shit after socialism was dissolved.
Somewhat? It went all the way from shit hole to super wealthy in 30 years.
Soviet union did both a shit job at transitioning to capitalism, and has one of the most propaganda shaped societies in the world. Ukraine also struggles with fucking war with Russia right now.
There's a research around communism nostalgia, and in countries that did transformation correctly, it isn't really a thing.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/10/15/key-takeaways-public-opinion-europe-30-years-after-fall-of-communism/
So, yes, you're just ignoring the hundreds of millions who suffered and suffer immensely, thanks for answering my question.
Said the Pole lmfao
The population collapse in Ukraine began way before the current war, it has only intensified. And, believe it or not, the current war is happening in capitalism, not in socialism! Formerly, Russia and Ukraine were sister nations, that have only been separated through geopolitical mires by capitalism, leading to the horrible outcome we see now.
I just spat my coffee at screen. Have you even read about holdomor?
If you had sister nation with war crime list like this you wouldn't need enemies. You'd have all the war crimes and abuse in great abundance for life.
Part of the population collapse is migration. Millions of Ukrainians traveled to work in Poland even before the war. I imagine it was even bigger number if you count all other migration destinations.
More than you, as a matter of fact, you can't even spell it apparently. The academic consensus is that it was a famine (commonplace at the time in the region) which happened unintentionally as a consequence of the policy of rapid collectivization and reindustrialization.
This policy unambiguously is what enabled the Soviets to defeat Nazism (no tanks and rifles = extermination) and save all Slavic peoples (including you) from being genocided by Germany, eternal glory to the brave Ukrainian and Russian workers, peasants and soldiers who made that possible with their blood and tears.
My sister nations (I'm a Spaniard) are Portugal and France, both of which have much, much longer war crime lists than that one, yet we coexist peacefully and even friendly next to each other. My own country has a much longer war crime list.
Part of it, yes, the others just died. The migrations happened precisely because their country was ruined by capitalism, that's exactly my point.
So you claim, that because they starved entire country worth of people "accidentaly" so it's okay? What kind of sick fuck morality is this?
Jeus no. Nazis occupied both territories of Poland and Ukraine during ww2, and they successfully genocided jews who lived there. If they wanted to genocide slavs too, they would.
You sound as if famine that happened before war was somehow necessary part of industrializaton.
I claim that unintentional famine (famine being commonplace in that region at the time) is horrible, but less horrible than being entirely genocided by Nazis if that's the alternative (it was).
You don't know about Generalplan Ost?
"The Generalplan Ost (lit. 'Master Plan for the East'), abbreviated GPO, was Nazi Germany's plan for the settlement and "Germanization" of captured territory in Eastern Europe, involving the genocide, extermination and large-scale ethnic cleansing of Slavs, Eastern European Jews, and other indigenous peoples of Eastern Europe categorized as "Untermenschen" in Nazi ideology"
They did want to murder Slavs, and they did murder them. As a matter of fact, 27 million Soviets died during WW2, most of them being Slavs, so about twice as many Slavs were killed in the USSR alone (not counting Poland) than total Jews by Nazis. And you say the Soviets were propagandized, you didn't even know that the Nazis explicitly wanted to genocide your own peoples and partially did. Fortunately, the brave workers, peasants and soldiers of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan and all other Soviet republics managed to defeat Nazism, although at an immense cost.
It was not a necessary part in the strict sense. The point is that Soviet politicians were aware that rapid collectivization would be chaotic and have unforeseen consequences, but it was the only way to enable the rapid industrialization that was explicitly carried out with the intent of defending the USSR from the inevitable capitalist/fascist invasion. You can read this in the Wikipedia article on the Soviet Industrialization:
"It is significant that even at the 10th congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1921, Lev Kamenev, the author of the report 'About the Soviet Republic Surrounded', stated that preparations for the Second World War, which had begun in Europe"
The Soviets knew what was coming, and knew that their only option for survival was rapid industrialization. Funnily enough, Stalin made the exact prediction of the year of invasion of the USSR in 1931:
"We are 50–100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us." He said this in 1931, operation Barbarossa took place in 1941.
Without the influx of workers to cities from the countryside, which was only possible with rapid collectivization, the rapid industrialization simply wouldn't have been possible. It was literally a wartime decision, and while it had horrible outcomes (such as the famine you refer to), it proved to be the correct choice.