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The US has to go through the process of fascism only to be conquered or overthrown by socialists, something that didn't happen during the Interbellum or world war II.
Last time they went social democratic to preserve capitalism as US socialists were already drawing their pitchforks.
This time around however, the capitalists want to hold onto power even as their capitalist society is on the brink of collapsing. This time, like last time in Nazi Germany, the US merchants refuse to take any concessions during a crisis, so fascism it has already chosen.
This means the US is already going through a painful transition as fascism is known to be a unstable and (self-)destructive form of governance.
But what is fascism? I have my own take on it and on socialism by the way...
Here you see a table I made that lists all the standard socio-economic forms of governance.
All standard have three sets of people called estates.
The First estate sets the rules, second estate sets the direction of society and the third estate keeps the gears of society running.
This differs I think from the usual socialist picture (correct if I'm wrong) where Marx had in mind that all estates would become one.
It also differs I think from what capitalists think of themselves, because merchants are not mentioned anywhere in the constitution, are not in the government or anywhere in the trias politica and yet they get first row seats in inaugerations and VIP invitations during delegations.
To me, fascism is capitalism, but with a ruling class so powerful that the legitimizer (if that's a word, I make up words) class has become insignificant and with the first estate gone, the ruling class reigns with impunity.
It will collapse and when it does, we will enter a world with a majority of socialist states very soon.
If not, the world will go straight to communism.
programmers perform labor tho, and rely on physical supply chains (computers, data centers, networks, keyboards, chairs, screens) to do their labor.
programmers also cannot operate without collaboration and cannot bring their labor to market for a return without payment processing, publishers, distribution networks and marketing.
outside of this construct from the person you're responding to; programmers are the probably the most modern adaptation of labor aristocracy.
this means that, yes, they're working class and are just and interdependent like everyone else is in the working class; but they don't align themselves with the working class and instead chose to align themselves with the ruling class.
i think that's why the person you're responding to classifies them a "first estate" because the french revolution had these estates and this person is trying to draw a parallel to that revolution.
Please, for the love of god, I am begging you. Read Fanshen