Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
Rimu
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
Kicking from all Matrix PieFed rooms
Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Rimu has been manufacturing non-stop drama for weeks. He ignores multiple offers from multiple parties to de-escalate, and now he bans someone for trying to promote non-discriminatory language. He has also now cut off a PieFed admin from any and all support and ability to contribute to the software.
Oh and the real kicker ? Rimu did all this after his big grand post about how he is stepping back from drama and hiding away from users.
I'm not going to remove an innocent insult from use just because a few people dislike being called that.
petty insults are not human rights violations. and I refuse to cater to a few individuals who are incapable of getting over that fact.
everyone thought "retarded" was fine too. Backlist, whitelist, master, are all making a gradual exit from the programmers vernacular. Software doesn't have to be hostile
As an unfortunately pedantic person, it really bothers me that blacklist and whitelist get caught up in all this. Like, yeah, I can see why people think it's related to skin colour, and I can see the argument that even if it wasn't originally about skin colour, it leaves an impression of "white good, black bad" regardless of its original intentions. But fuck do I wish we didn't call white people white and black people black. It's not accurate, and would solve a whole bunch of these "colour-related phrases becoming racial" problems. We should just stop using colours to refer to people! But that ship has long sailed, and its harder to advocate in that direction, so I guess I'm fine with it. But I can dream 😛
Also "master" has other uses, like a Master Sculpter making a masterpiece, and more relatedly things like the "master tape" being the tape other tapes are copied from, a la "remastered". But I concede it's pretty hard to make that argument when DBs and BIOSes have "masters" versus "slaves" 😬😅
So absolutely zero technical reasons, right? The code change has absolutely no impact on the operation of the software.
Its purely your desire to use the word "stupid" that makes you against this change?
Edit: Which, btw, your ability to use the word "stupid" is not at all being prevented here. That reference could be changed to "unicorn_glasses" and function the same.
no. its that it's an innocent insult. it truly is not that deep. nor does it need to be.
if you choose not to use it that is fine. but shaming others for that is just silly.
...or am I not allowed to use "silly" as well?
where do we draw the line?
Who is shaming?
"Don't shame me!" seems an odd response to "Hey, changing this reference will make some people feel better, and has no functional impact".
Whats the problem?
Just to mention, moron, imbecile, and idiot were used (as nouns) for the person as a clinical definition of intellectual disability, with stupid used as the adjective to describe. I would have to disagree that it doesn't have roots beyond an "innocent insult", but I personally don't put it anywhere near the same category as the others, especially without context. Its use for stunned or astonished is now archaic, and personally I prefer foolish, but I also can't see a reason to complain about a simple word change in code for a reference.
Are you worried "stupid" won't be used as a word anymore?
Why do you feel a need to "draw a line"?
I'm not trying to make this into some discussion on word choice here, I'm more trying to point out why I think the response from rimu is ridiculous to me. It has the same energy to me as getting mad when someone offers to update a guide with gender-neutral language, and the response is angry blog posting and calling it "political".
"Who is shaming?"
...you apparently? with a whole-ass paragraph. giving examples of other words and their history as if that has any significance to my choice to not honor your request.
let me explain just in case I was not clear, I will not be doing as you ask. and i believe it's unreasonable for you to demand it of me.
you claim you're not guilt tripping and shaming then do exactly that.
it comes off as an overbearing parent and not a reasonable request. apologies if we do not agree. but understand that we do not have to agree. Sorry, that's just how life goes sometimes.
What request? Its a discussion. You debated the validity of any historical context, and said you "researched it", I shared some historical context. I think you're taking this very personally, and I really don't understand why.
Can you point to where I made some sort of demand? I asked a question. How is "whats the downside" or "why is it a problem" a demand, a guilt trip, or shaming? I think you're interpreting something here that isn't there, or maybe confusing me with someone else.
I didn't assume we needed to agree, I asked why you think its not reasonable to have a change to code that would have some small positive benefit (for the people bothered by it) and no real negative other than, say, accepting a pr?