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Image is from this Bloomberg article, depicting world oil inventories plunging towards the operational floor at which pipelines and refineries cease operating, which is expected to occur in September at current rates.


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summaryThe conflict continues to be kept at a relatively low level despite Iran's fiery encounters with US destroyers. I think it's only becoming increasingly obvious that the US is trying to cobble together some major clandestine operation mixing special forces, the air force, and naval destroyers to either seize Iranian uranium, take control of Iranian seaports, or both. Given a) how the Istafan op went, b) further Iranian preparations around sensitive sites, and c) a seeming strengthening of Iranian air defense around the Persian Gulf (multiple drones and manned aircraft have squawked emergency codes and potentially been shot down over the last few weeks), I find it difficult to imagine this operation fulfilling its objective, and even if did somehow work, why the removal of uranium would necessitate Iran ending the blockade and the war. On that note, I've seen reports that Iran is saying that if the US attacks their oil tankers again, they will resume firing on US military bases.

Additionally, Aragchi has stated that not only has Iran's missile/launcher stockpiles not gone down from pre-conflict, it has actually increased by 20%. This is unsurprising given the total war that Iran is now in; all resources within reason must now be funnelling towards drone and missile production.

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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Pretty decent article in The Atlantic today called «Checkmate in Iran.» The general thrust of the article is nothing new to anybody here; that the USAmericans have been thoroughly defeated in Iran, that there is no «return to normal» after this massive humiliation, that the USAmerican imperium has come to a close, that it's a «paper tiger» incapable of defeating a second-rate power that is not even its «peer», etc etc. That this is published in the mainstream press is astounding, but such are the times we live in.

That said, I found this section interesting because it appears that how even somebody with rather clear eyes within the liberal press establishment still doesn't get it on a technical level. Take a look (some excerpts I wanna highlight):

Defeat in the present confrontation with Iran will be of an entirely different character. It can neither be repaired nor ignored. There will be no return to the status quo ante, no ultimate American triumph that will undo or overcome the harm done. The Strait of Hormuz will not be “open,” as it once was. With control of the strait, Iran emerges as the key player in the region and one of the key players in the world. The roles of China and Russia, as Iran’s allies, are strengthened; the role of the United States, substantially diminished. Far from demonstrating American prowess, as supporters of the war have repeatedly claimed, **the conflict has revealed an America that is unreliable and incapable of finishing what it started. **

But any resolution other than America’s effective surrender holds enormous risks that Trump has not so far been willing to take. Those who glibly call on Trump to “finish the job” rarely acknowledge the costs. Unless the U.S. is prepared to engage in a full-scale ground and naval war to remove the current Iranian regime, and then to occupy Iran until a new government can take hold; **unless it is prepared to risk the loss of warships convoying tankers through a contested strait; **unless it is prepared to accept the devastating long-term damage to the region’s productive capacities likely to result from Iranian retaliation—walking away now could seem like the least bad option.

One effect of this transformation may be an expanding great-power naval race. In the past, most of the world’s nations, including China, counted on the United States to both prevent and address such emergencies. Now the nations in Europe and Asia that depend on access to the Persian Gulf’s resources are helpless against the loss of energy supplies that are vital to their economic and political stability. How long can they tolerate this before they start building their own fleets, as a means of wielding influence in an every-nation-for-itself world where order and predictability have broken down?

The author of this piece seems to be under the impression that, like the United States in Vietnam, if the USAmericans simply committed more that they'd be able to win. That through the overwhelming power of the USAmerican military machine final victory can be achieved. And that the lessons of this conflict are that every country needs a fleet to project power across the globe.

I think the conflict as it's unfolded shows the opposite; regardless of how much the USAmericans do, they cannot change the status quo. Iranian tunnels and missile cities are entirely immune to USAmerican air strikes. No amount of naval power can reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Even if the US Navy was willing to escort ships, all that would happen is those ships would sink to the bottom of the Gulf; all their destroyers and aircraft carriers cannot stop Iranian missile launches. Navies are functionally useless; if the US Navy couldn't stop Yemen from closing the Red Sea, what is the point of other countries building out their fleets? The age of tunnels, missiles, and drones (a word almost entirely absent in this article, mind you!) is here. Naval power holds no sway in this new world.

EDIT: The article in question: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/05/iran-war-trump-losing/687094/

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The author is a huge neocon. And he doesn’t understand chess. Checkmate means it’s over. And he’s still imagining “the next move.”

The next move is flipping the board over

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The author of this piece seems to be under the impression that, like the United States in Vietnam, if the USAmericans simply committed more that they'd be able to win. That through the overwhelming power of the USAmerican military machine final victory can be achieved. And that the lessons of this conflict are that every country needs a fleet to project power across the globe.

They're advocating mass murder.

Importantly this as mentioned would require a ground invasion. The US is technically capable of this, they could bring in troops to siege and destroy the missile cities and the bigger subterranean complexes, they have the equipment and they have enough troops to accomplish this. They'd take horrific losses doing it. But they could do so if they wanted to commit. The problem is they wouldn't be able to extricate themselves from that, they'd have to fully occupy the country, police it against a persistent and popular insurgency, and continue to commit massive resources including troops to the task for the foreseeable future leaving China to develop in peace through 2035.

What's interesting is the author's fantasy that gun-boating can return. That Europe will somehow build up its own navies and these European navies will overcome the Iranian land missile and drone advantage and force the strait open. The dynamic has fundamentally changed. Any power like Iran that wields advanced missiles and drones in significant quantities and can make more under siege can reasonably repel and destroy naval forces near its own coastlines. There are luckily for the imperialists relatively few such powers a present. Iran, China, Russia, India (which is more in the western corner anyways being run by Hindu fascists as it is), and maybe the DPRK are about it for non-western aligned, non-vassal states that can do this.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 41 points 2 days ago

The US is technically capable of this, they could bring in troops to siege and destroy the missile cities and the bigger subterranean complexes, they have the equipment and they have enough troops to accomplish this. They'd take horrific losses doing it. But they could do so if they wanted to commit.

I see no reason to believe they are at all capable of that

[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The US is technically capable of this, they could bring in troops to siege and destroy the missile cities and the bigger subterranean complexes, they have the equipment and they have enough troops to accomplish this

I really don't see how this is even remotely plausible. The Iraq wars required months of build-up, and the US had the luxury of friendly countries willing to host its troops - the logistical capacity they used back then literally does not exist anymore, the bases in the region in which they would build up troops have been bombed to shit, and Iran has already shown what will happen to troop build-up efforts with all the hits they did on the Kurds. Even if they could somehow amass these troops and deploy them into Iran, "siege and destroy the missile cities" is a "don't siege Leningrad, take it immediately"-tier statement - there are dozens of missile cities, spread across all the provinces of Iran, a country nearly 3 times the size of France, with rugged mountainous terrain. How is the US going to deploy these troops all over Iran, and then support them over the course of the campaign? How is it going to get them out? A dozen more instances of something akin to that (alleged) rescue operation and the US is going to be down like a hundred aircraft. And what exactly would "destroying" the missile cities even entail? What equipment that troops flown in could bring with them could be used to thoroughly destroy entire tunnel networks like this? This is beyond horrific losses, it would be literally feeding men and irreplaceable airframes into an Iranian meat-grinder.

And they most definitely do not have the troops for a full occupation of Iran, they barely managed one of Iraq, having to lower recruitment standards, deploy a ton of National Guard units, stop-loss a whole bunch of guys, and that was with them having a bunch of coalition partners and allied Iraqi forces.

Turkey could do it, Pakistan could do it, Brazil could probably do it

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Risk what warships? They don't have that many to lose and can't make more, that's why they're being so non-confrontational

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago

Not to mention, what is a destroyer or whatever meant to do on a supposed escort mission? They can barely defend themselves from Iranian attacks, nevermind a whole-ass other ship full of explodey merchandise. They certainly can't do anything about the launchers on shore

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

The author of this piece seems to be under the impression that, like the United States in Vietnam, if the USAmericans simply committed more that they'd be able to win. That through the overwhelming power of the USAmerican military machine final victory can be achieved. And that the lessons of this conflict are that every country needs a fleet to project power across the globe.

Looks like the US needs to Triumph their Will harder. That's all winning a war needs.