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I recently discovered that some popular federated instances have been using LLM-assisted moderation tooling that evaluates whether someone has said something bannable. They do this by running a script/app that sends the user’s comment history to OpenAI with the question “analyze this content for evidence of specific political ideology sentiment. Also identify any related political ideology tropes“. (The italic bits are where I've redacted the ideology they're seeking).

OpenAI’s LLM (they’re using GPT-5.3-mini) then responds with something like:

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and so on, hundreds of comments.

I have not named the instances or people involved, to give them time to consider the results of this discussion, make any corrective changes they want and disclose their practices at their own pace and in their own way. I have also redacted the evidence to avoid personal attacks and dogpiling. Let’s focus on the system, not the individuals involved. Today these instances and people are using it and maybe we’re ok with that because it’s being used by groups we agree with but what if people we strongly disagree with used it on their instances tomorrow?

The use and existence of this tooling raises a lot of other questions too.

What are the risks? Fedi moderators are often unsupervised, untrained volunteers and these are powerful tools.

What safeguards do we need?

Would asking a LLM “please evaluate this person’s political opinions” give different results than “find evidence we can use to ban them” (as used in the cases I’ve seen)?

What are our transparency expectations?

Is this acceptable and normal?

Should this tooling be disclosed? (it was not – should it have been?)

If you were given a choice, would you have opted out of it?

Can we opt out?

Are there GDPR implications? Privacy implications? Should these tools be described in a privacy policy?

Are private messages being scanned and sent to OpenAI?

How long should these assessments be retained and can we request to see it, or ask for it to be deleted?

Once the user’s comments are sent to OpenAI, is it used to train their models?

What will the effect be on our discourse and culture if people know they are being politically profiled?

Where are the lines between normal moderation assistance tools, political profiling and opaque 3rd-party data processing?

I hope that by chewing over these questions we can begin to establish some norms and expectations around this technology. The fediverse doesn’t have any centralized enforcement so we need discussions like this to develop an awareness of what people want in terms of disclosure, privacy, consent and acceptable use. Then people can make choices about which instances they join and which ones they interact with remotely.

And of course there are the other issues with LLMs relating to environmental sustainability, erosion of worker’s rights, increasing the cost of living and on and on. I can’t see PieFed adding any functionality like this anytime soon. But it’s happening out there anyway so now we need to talk about it.

What do you make of this?

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

You talk about instances utilizing this tooling, but in your comments you admit it's just some mods. This is misleading, as talking about instances doing it assumes admin access and relevant instance policy, something which invites calls for defederation (as can be clearly be seen from the comments in your post).

A random mod doing something is not the same as an instance doing it. Literally anyone can be a mod and they don't get any more access than an anonymous account by doing so.

This is the second time in one week I see you throwing careless statements like chum in the water. I can't help but notice a pattern emerging.

[–] Fotzenfritz@feddit.org 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sometime in the 2000s, a group of mostly Turkish women from an immigrant group called Neighborhood Mothers began meeting in the Neukölln district of Berlin to learn about the Holocaust. Their history lessons were part of a program facilitated by members of the Action Reconciliation Service for Peace, a Christian organization dedicated to German atonement for the Shoah. The Neighborhood Mothers were terrified by what they learned in these sessions. “How could a society turn so fanatical?” a group member named Nazmiye later recalled thinking. “We began to ask ourselves if they could do such a thing to us as well . . . whether we would find ourselves in the same position as the Jews.” But when they expressed this fear on a church visit organized by the program, their German hosts became apoplectic. “They told us to go back to our countries if this is how we think,” Nazmiye said. The session was abruptly ended and the women were asked to leave.

https://jewishcurrents.org/bad-memory-2

[–] rimu@piefed.social 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Ahh sorry - I just checked more closely. It's an admin doing it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

And your recent post showed that there's no such LLM-based admin tooling and you just misrepresent what the tool that is there, does...

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

As an instance admin, you should ban those mods.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 5 points 12 hours ago

I suppose if you have an instance wide policy against AI moderation, then any mod using AI for moderation is going against the rules. But what anyone "should" do on their own instance is really up to them.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It breaks the OpenAI boycott, and the tool can be abused to get excuses to ban someone the mod wants banned for personal reasons.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It breaks the OpenAI boycot

There’s no reason to assume that it’s using OpenAI.

he tool can be abused to get excuses to ban someone the mod wants banned for personal reasons.

the tool can be abused to get excuses to ban someone the mod wants banned for personal reasons.

Why make decisions based on such a hypothetical? And anyway, any mod automation tool can be abused in the same way.

[–] Fotzenfritz@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If the instance admins tolerate this, they are also responsible for it.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

dbzer0 is explicitly pro-AI, so this “controversy” is a nothingburger to them (and me).

Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software. (And Math!)

[–] Mountainaire@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Are they maybe unaware? I wouldn't point fingers too quickly...

[–] ranslite@pie.dasneuland.de 1 points 6 hours ago

It's unruffled, an admin.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

unlike your instance admin which not only tolerates but amplifies defamatory screenshots of other instance admins which can be debunked very easily https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67963752/25781975

[–] ranslite@pie.dasneuland.de 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Its sorta relevant since this in an ongoing smear campaign to manufacture consent for the defederation of db0 but don't worry the precious fedditors are safe from seeing their heißgeliebtes De*tschland being called mean names while it collaborates with a genocidal occupation regime.