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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 13 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

A plant should have been way cheaper than meat to begin with. Who do they think they're fooling?

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Meat and dairy are heavily subsidised

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago

I don't know about your country, but here in Poland "meat subsidies" are targeted at improving animal welfare or insurance (e.g. from avian flu for poultry). I fail to see how it is a problem?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Just of the top of my head here are some possible ideas to explain why not:

  • Meat subsidies
  • Meat substitutes require more processing and additional ingredients
  • Meat sells a lot more than meat substitutes hence the whole chain benefits more from economies of scale
  • Animals raised for meat can extract nutrition from plants and parts of plants which humans cannot (for example cattle can actually break up the fiber in food and extract nutrition from it, which humans cannot), plus they can eat plants which are far more hardy than most plants grown for human consumption. Some will also eat other animals which humans do not, such as insects.

I doubt it's just one of those things that is responsible and suspect it's a mix of those and maybe more.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

This is correct, however:

You need to also take into account that plants are just the primary ingredients and it needs a lot of intermediary steps during manufacturing.

I say this not to say you're incorrect but just to be a more complete picture so it's unassailable

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 20 hours ago

what are you on about? don't you know it's far cheaper to grow a bunch of plants and then feed it to an animal for a long period of time while that animal grows and then harvest that animal for a small portion of the calories it consumed?

[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I can chime in here (I work in plant based meat). It should be but it's not. Why... Lots of reasons. But basicly it's split between animal based meat is artificially cheap and plant based meat costs a lot to make. A lot of the costs (for the good brands) are in the flavorings.

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

It will only be cheap with large economy of scale factories

[–] coriza@lemmy.world -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If it is the same process I saw years ago they extract something from vegetables that is what gives blood its color and taste, and that is the the sauce that make it taste like meat, and that process, I guess, is expensive at least in part because plants have very little of this compound.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Fake meat is expensive because greedy capitalists know they can charge more for it, simple as that.

[–] Teppa@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Tell that to BeyondMeat bag holders.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago

Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Or maybe because stupid prols are paying premium and letting themselves get fucked

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago

Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do