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[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I'm surprised airplane mode is still a thing. It doesn't matter for the purpose it was created, and letting users disconnect with a single toggle goes against the modern capitalist surveillance state. I guess it'd save battery since your phone wouldn't be trying to connect to a new cell tower every few seconds?

Then again, on my Android tablet the mode doesn't even disable the radios anymore. I can still use WiFi and Bluetooth just fine with it enabled. I'm not sure what airplane mode actually does these days.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It can cause issues on the ground as hundreds of phones try to connect to many overlapping cell towers at 800km/h.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Put a base station on the aircraft, all phones can connect to it at low power.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's already a thing, I'm talking about putting a 4g/5g/6g base station on an aircraft.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

with the prices they charge for the wifi, what do you think would happen to ticket costs if they added a 5G transciever?

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point isn't to provide 5G but to reduce devices reaching outside the plane for connection...

[–] lime@feddit.nu 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

if they could get carriers onboard to sponsor the installation then maybe.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh ffs... Okay, let's get it through your pea sized brain. THE BASE STATION WOULD PROVIDE NO ACTUAL CONNECTIVITY. It is only there so the phones connect to it, and not a station outside the plane, during the times its dangerous for hundreds of phones to be constantly reconnecting to different stations.

To continue your WiFi analogy... imagine a WiFi router without the modem/WAN connection. It provides a local network to connect to, but no internet connectivity.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The first part of that comment was unnecessary Fonix, you do not need to resort to name calling.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Phones will try to route around a malfunctioning base station that is isolated from the internet.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah that doesn't work. if they can't reach out from the base station they try picking another one. so it would make the problem way worse.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except it does work - the base station simply needs to emulate the connectivity check servers. It doesn't even need to do anything fancy, just route all packets to a locally running microserver that responds to ICMP Echo, HTTP and TCP requests and so on.

Governments already use this approach for blocking out areas (e.g. during protests) while also grabbing mobile phone IDs and other data, via mobile base stations. The exact same could be applied to the ~10 minutes of takeoff and landing time.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] fonix232@fedia.io 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's the same for all generations.

Internet checks are easy to take with a simple HTTP+IGMP service. 2G/3G also did a slightly different connectivity check but that can be faked too.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 6 days ago

at that point it feels easier to just connect the base station to the same satellite receiver the onboard internet uses

"Welcome to your eight-hour flight. If you would like to use wifi, please sign up for only $40 per hour. Enjoy your voyage!"

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s funny you think it would increase costs. It’s parts and bandwidth. GBs for cents.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it would increase costs because that's what airlines do whenever they get a new gadget.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No it really isn’t. You’re just making shit up.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Airlines literally will increase costs to customers well over 500% on their costs for basically anything.

That's been true for 50 years

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 week ago

yeah that's the main reason it's kept around.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

This is the closest most people will ever get to the buzzing the tower scene from Top Gun.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...but they can't from that high.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Doesn't matter, the cell towers will still be barraged with hundreds of high intensity requests for several seconds. It's akin to a very underpowered and inefficient radio jammer.

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wifi, bluetooth, and cell signal all use different antennae and serve very different purposes.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a tablet that doesn't have cell coverage. As far as I can tell no form of connectivity it offers is blocked in airplane mode. I guess it's only there because base Android includes the toggle?

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yea it definitely used to be. I remember having to turn bluetooth back on to use some headphones.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

They changed it at some point and added a toggle for "sensors" (at least on my android phone) that is different than the airplane mode toggle.

My best guess is this is because of accessories like Bluetooth headphones and services like inflight wifi and the need to turn back on those toggles causing some friction or confusion that makes people toggle off airplane mode which I believe breaks federal law in some countries.

For what it’s worth the β€œkill all radios” button has existed longer than we have called it airplane mode. My Pocket PC had a switch on the side, not totally unlike the iPhone silent switch but you had to move it with the stylus.

[–] GoldAxolotl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I'm surprised too, since last time i've travelled by plane, if i recall it correctly, all passengers were asked to turn off their devices and there was nothing like "enable airplane mode". But it's only for taking off and landing. Maybe it's different in different countries. Maybe my memory is hallucinating tho But i do have some questions about this mode and why it's still called like this, not some other way. Well, your case just makes a good example of how outdated some things' naming is.