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comrade @Riverside@reddthat.com here isn't the slop, it's the comments. I mean regardless of what they think of us, this is sad lol

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If anyone from greater Lemmy is reading this and is upset at our stance WRT Ukraine (especially vis a vis Nazis in Ukraine):

Hi! I hope you like our humble website. I also hope our stance on Ukraine doesn't come across as cruel, and instead it can be understood for what it is. Though I don't speak for everyone, I would like to briefly clear up misconceptions:

  1. The belief that Nazis in Ukraine justify Russian invasion is laughable. No amount of Nazis in the country, by their mere presence, would justify the war crimes, assaults on civilian areas, further development of weapons (both conventional and hybrid warfare) that inevitably leads to both sides increasing militarization instead of funding good causes, ecological destruction, and so on. If anyone tries to justify the entirety of the invasion based on the presence of far-right elements in Ukraine, they are wrong. Plain and simple. The actual reasons why some of us take Russia's side are fundamentally because we believe that, absent the invasion, there has already been a war going on that merited direct intervention on Russia's side. Not just in the local context of Ukraine, but Western imperialism more generally. That is a different discussion.
  2. The relevance of the presence of Nazis and other reactionary right wing elements in Ukraine, particularly among Ukraine's armed forces, is in the effect it has on the prospects of arming Ukraine. Objectively speaking, far right Ukrainian Nationalists have penetrated into the armed forces and the government. Giving weapons to Ukraine inarguably means giving Nazis more power, like it or not. We believe that the effort to fight to the last Ukrainian, scuttle peace negotiations, and escalate the conflict via the increase in Europe's military industrial complex are fundamentally a continuation of the US' strategy of using fascism to combat democratic forces,^[See: Gabriel Rockhill's The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WW2, It Discretely Internationalized It] which goes back to the start of the Cold War in 1917^[See: Michael Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds] with the Russian Civil War and is most clearly exemplified in CIA operations like Bloodstone, Gladio, and Condor.
[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

I do remember saying that Ukraine would be better off being taken over by Russia at this point, but that’s because western countries are fully intent on using their “support” of Ukraine as leverage to strip the copper out of their walls.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly you lost the potential audience in your first phrase when you wrote "vis a vis".

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

tldr then:

  • Russia invading Ukraine purely because there exist Nazis in Ukraine = not a valid reason
  • Russia invading Ukraine because of broader geopolitical context and pre-existing Ukrainian civil war = maybe valid reason, separate discussion
  • Arming Ukraine = sometimes arming some Nazis
  • ... Therefore arming Ukraine = not in the interest of those who would like to prevent Nazis in Ukraine from having weapons
  • Arming Nazis in Ukraine has precedent and one has strong reason to think it's intentional because the US has done this before

The implicit takeaway is that we should support a negotiated peace in Ukraine despite the fact it would mean Ukraine giving up much territory, because they'd lose that territory eventually anyway at the cost of more lives, more environmental destruction, and more nigh-irreparable damage to international relations and solidarity; Russia also ought to make concessions (and the part of me that holds immediate individuals' human dignity and the sanctity of life above all else hates Russia and would like to see them make many, many concessions and pay lots of reparations, despite what the rational part feels) but ultimately those of us living in Western states may only extract more concessions out of Russia by supporting increased militarization, which obviously is Not Good.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think you can make a much stronger argument, because it's not merely that some of Ukraine's armed forces etc. are Nazis, but that the government in general is openly Banderite and has openly brought explicitly Nazi groups into the military and then took its own initiatives to spread their influence by various means. The government is full of extremely self-aware and open Nazi collaborators who are happy to spread Nazism.

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

The Bandera statue at Lviv (where the OUN did the 1941 Lviv Pogrom) is a telling landmark, imo.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@Riverside@reddthat.com I was disappointed to see that the thread is already 4 days old so I couldn't raise these points there directly. I want you to have this comment to link to in the future though, in case it comes up.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

I'm saving your comment to point it out next time, thanks for the summary comrade