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[–] BluesF@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I was interested in this idea, because although LLMs are not good at many things, what they absolutely are good at is taking large data sets of writing and finding a kind of "average" of that data. I can understand why this would make sense. I think it's a situation where the further you go from the training set the less reliable your "silicon sample" will be, because it has less and less relevant information to draw from, but I can also kind of see it working in some circumstances.

So, anyway, I have done a little research into this and the concept does show some definite promise. I think this is the study that kicked off the concept, and their results are quite impressive. GPT-3 manages to be close to human respondents on a variety of topics and in a variety of contexts (guessing preferences, tone, word choices, etc).

There are some issues I don't see addressed:

  • The evaluation is necessarily on data that is available, and it's unclear whether they've determined if that data existed in GPT-3's training set. Obviously if it did, this would somewhat poison the results as it would "know" the answers ahead of time.
  • The evaluation is limited to the US, and is all of "public opinion" topics, outside those I can't find further evidence that this works at all - while the paper does include methods they used to correct for default biases in GPT-3, this remains within this fairly narrow context.
  • Because much of the data is qualitative, some of the methods used to evaluate the fidelity of the model are somewhat unreliable (e.g. surveying humans and having them gauge the model's output). To be fair, this is in many cases inherent to the nature of psychological research rather than LLMs, but it makes trusting the results more difficult.

One important part from the article:

These studies suggest that after establishing algorithmic fidelity in a given model for a given topic/domain, researchers can leverage the insights gained from simulated, silicon samples to pilot different question wording, triage different types of measures, identify key relationships to evaluate more closely, and come up with analysis plans prior to collecting any data with human participants.

"Algorithmic fidelity" is a term that I think they have coined in this paper, it refers to how accurately the model reflects the population you are sampling. Roughly what they suggest is - take a known dataset of the population you want to assess, in the general area you are researching, and compare the real results of that with the LLM results. If this is successful you have an indication that the model can predict the population/area of interest, and you can adjust your questions to your specific topic.

I do think this is quite an interesting and potentially promising use of the technology. Despite the fact it might on the surface seem to be just "inventing" data, in a way the LLM has already surveyed many more heads than any "real" survey ever could hope to. I would like to see more research before being sure of any of this though, I'm certainly going to continue reading about it to see what limitations there are beyond my first assumptions. GPT-3 is not the latest model, and I wonder about how much AI generated content is out there now... Are the later generations of models starting to eat their own tails? There's obvious manipulation of online conversations through bots, could someone poison the well in this way and cause these "surveys" to produce skewed results?

[–] jaredwhite@humansare.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, even in the absolute best case scenario, the LLM analysis is a trailing indicator. There's no way that it indicates current views, just possibly an indication of past views.

Personally I think this entire line of thinking ("silicon sampling") is dangerous af.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

That's a good point, although I imagine a dedicated company could refine a model using more recently sampled general data to improve the recency.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm eagerly waiting more studies on AI psychosis. Make sure to participate if you get the chance.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I think I was overall pretty critical of the idea? I just find it interesting.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

nice astroturfing there schmuck.

because although LLMs are not good at many things, what they absolutely are good at is taking large data sets of writing and finding a kind of "average" of that data.

who knew that Large LANGUAGE Models do math (they don't)

gtfo of here with your bullshit.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about numerical data, the way LLMs work is to find a "most likely response" based on the input text. There is absolutely maths happening inside the model, how else do you think they work? I'm not saying they take numbers and find an average.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

LLMs are trained on language based content. it doesn't know how to extract answers from mathematical based problems. it only gives approximations based on model input. it also can be trained wrong based on user input of data.

to a purely mathematical logical operator 2+2=4.

to a LLM if told 2+2=9 it will then always respond with 2+2=9.

1000003363

LLMs don't count because they can't count. without the ability to count it can never understand the proof behind mathematical formulas.

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems like the kind of thing that could eventually be useful for helping to survey companies figure out how to word surveys and which surveys are even worth doing for a given group, rather than replacing the surveys themselves. Unfortunately it seems like the companies currently just want to replace the actually useful product with ai slop, as per usual

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Yes, it can obviously never entirely replace real surveys. I would assume that survey results forming a part of the training set is a big part of why they're able to get good results in the first place, and as I said I think its a significant risk that the evaluation is done it performs well because the data being evaluated against are (unbeknownst to the researcher) present in the training set.