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All research shows vaping to be essentially harmless, especially compared with cigarettes. But governments and private interests are pushing to get it banned, taxed, and are otherwise attacking it. All because it "harms children".
At its most basic it's water vapour. You know the one thing you're not supposed to get in your lungs... water. And you can't exactly trust what certain research shows, it's too early in the lifespan of vaping to truly know it's ramifications. Cigarettes used to have research having then saying they were good for you.
At the end of the day though, what's the fucking point of vaping other than to be another addictive substance for those on the bottom to be beholden to, like an addict tax keeping their take home income as low as possible. It's just not something the world needs, so why defend it? Have you got the addict equivalent of buyers bias or something?
Edit: okay I'll concede on the water vapour thing. Still don't want chemicals in my lungs past that though.
Also to say something else on vapes... I'm fine with it being a stepping stone to get people off cigarettes. The only issue with that is that it's much more accessible to puff on a vape at any point in the day (as long as it has charge) too the point where someone might actually end up using it way more and at a more concentrated level than what they'd do with cigarettes. It's not great.
I dont know if water is the one thing I shouldn't get in my lungs
take pudding for example
Its not water vapor, nor is it dangerous to inhale water vapor. Vaping is not safe, but you don't make a very good argument as to why. The person you're responding too is also partially correct although they are wrong that vaping is completely harmless. People are often led to believe its more harmful that it truly is because health problems relating to black market marijuana cartridges were falsely attributed to normal vapes.
It's not water vapor. It's mainly propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, plus flavorings and (optionally) nicotine.
I don't care if people defend vaping, they're the ones damaging their bodies, not me.
I do think it needs to be more regulated, in terms of where you can and can't vape. Just like I don't want to breath in second hand smoke, I don't want to breath in your vape
Yeah waiting in queues and walking behind people that value is fucking awful. Especially when they're trying to cosplay as Thomas the tank engine.
Neverminding that it's not just water vapor, fog and humidity are also water vapor, and yet we breathe them every day. The substance itself isn't really the issue. Now, it being hot water vapor, at a higher concentration, and carrying more things than just water vapor, you have some points to stand on.
Harm reduction is also a very real thing. Sure , vaping is another thing for people to be addicted to. People are going to be addicted, almost everyone to something. I'd rather myself or anyone right now be addicted to vapes than cigs, because it's LESS harmful, at least according to the current consensus. Of COURSE I'd people just not be addicted but that's a looooong way off. Stepping stones are good things.
What the fuck lol that's not how anything works
You've never breathed humid air before? That's water vapor
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Alright, keep your vapes. I don't want anything to do with them, including second hand
This is a reasonable take. No one wants to force them on you or anyone else. If someone's vaping and you're breathing it in secondhand, sure they're a problem, and you should probably politely ask them to be respectful, then get reasonably upset when they don't. But let them have their thing otherwise.
That's fine, I totally respect that. Just please don't ban them for the rest of us.
There's water vapor in your lungs right now
It's actually propylene glycol vapor and vegetable glycerin vapor.
They are either working for a vape company or so hopelessly addicted they can't admit negatives.
Your lungs need water to function and also u don't vape water vapour the fact you said that shows that u haven't researched any of this indepthly.
"Indepthly"
"I'm going to pick apart someone's lack of vocabulary knowledge instead of their argument"
Edit: I was confused
Nah you're good. My point was he wasn't engaging with your actual, perfectly readable, response because you deigned to use the wrong word.
Edit: design -> deign.
Nicotine still has negative health effects, even without tar. It is not harmless. We've also had multiple waves of badly manufactured carts with lead contamination, chemicals known to cause lung damage, etc. It harms everyone who vapes. And everyone whose face they blow vape into. But, it at least far less obnoxious than actual cigarettes.
the bathroom at work smells much better after a vaper has used it as opposed to the guy that smokes ciggies. not even good cigs either, they smell old and crusty
No matter how good it smells, the second-hand vape makes my nose and throat burn, and makes me cough.
is someone blowing it directly in your face? vape smoke dissipates pretty quickly
At a similar level to caffeine. Less than Marijuana and much less than alcohol. Essentially harmless.
Maybe standards regulation is the answer instead of banning? But anyway, it's a small minority of carts that are poorly made like this.