Right, I agree with all that, my impression is that this particular form of protest is entirely performative though. They never seem to translate into actually building things like mutual aid networks, unions, or any other kind of permanent structures. It would be nice if people would start doing those things for a change.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some are trying, but it's a slow process going from toothless protests to a serious movement. It took decades for the civil rights movement to reach a point where people took it seriously. It took generations for union labour to gain legitimacy. We let the tools of community organizing and collective action rust away in complacency. It's going to take time to reforge them.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it actively diffuses people's political energy. Orgs like this weren't effective back when they could organize strikes. Now there's disunity between labor and activism, which are both riddled with opportunists, utter psychopaths if you've been in these movements Too much corruption, SSleazy informants everywhere ruining people's lives in ways that are too odious to describe, deals with the ruling class aligning on foreign policy that eventually became their political goals. Now they're just PR orgs that are financially dependent on a network beholden to the same entities as demokkkrats. In the alt media it is a bit more subtle but just as bad. Even when the messaging is good (it isn't btw), they just tell you to sit around with your thumb in your ass about it.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A bunch of armchair defeatist rhetoric is definitely going to move the needle though? Networks built in the George Floyd era were critical for organizing anti-ice activity, but clearly that's just coincidence.

If you don't want to go, don't go, but spare us the moral pretention and self-soothing nihilism.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

God forbid someone point out your goal is an alliance with child-rapists who will betray you bruh. This strategy already failed, creating the environment you "organize" in without any standards. There were no "networks" built by people like this via BLM. You are organizing with the people who ruined those protests with pathetic behavior like kneeling before their beloved cops. You're either appalling stupid, or disingenuously butthurt. You will fail again. You won't listen. It doesn't have to be so bad. But this is all you people want, complaining complaining complaining, & to be lauded for complaining, as a reward. Zero self-respect.

Where is the Revenge™? What is wrong with your SOUL?

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Wow that's a spectacular leap of logic. Protesting the Epstein class is the same thing as making friends with them? You should change your handle to Pizza Wheel, all edge, no point. The world is ending so do nothing, sit down, and cry about it on TikTok. Because that's somehow going to change things. What a brilliant strategy. You're a real hero for doing SFA and complaining when people try. Movements run on logistics, logistics takes organized infrastructure, but you hate people so bad even suggesting it sets you off.

Go on then, show us how it's done. Run out half-cocked, pretending your John f-ing Wick, and be the lone wolf to save the world. Let's see how that works out for you. This isn't CoD lobby, this is the real world. One person is powerless, useless, and means nothing by themselves. Our power is in numbers. ORGANIZED numbers, not wild senseless riots. Are they going to try to poison the well with agent provocateurs? Absolutely. We adapt, and we come back because surrender is not an option. Unlike you, who apparently thinks surrender is the only option. What's wrong with my soul? What's wrong with yours.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

NGOs are not organized militant infrastructure, they are financially dependent on their own restraints (the Demonkkkrats and the rest of the EpSStein KKKlass). You're only showing me your ability to blow hot air without reading responses. Your two ideas of how to revolt: mill around carrying signs, or "go John Wick" a.k.a. individualistic fantasy of revenge.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Well that's twice as much as you've suggested. All organizing starts by bringing people together. Meeting like minded individuals and building out a core network. It takes time to build communication and supply lines for more aggressive action. So far the only thing you've got to offer is excuses and cute nicknames like idiot orange. That milling around carrying signs is where you take stock of assets you can leverage and people willing to act. When you're done wallowing in self pity, you can come step up and find the people that have been building the infrastructure we're going to need to do something meaningful. Or just sit it out and let someone else do it for you, while pretending doing nothing gives you the moral high ground.