We both agree the scene, narrative, and music are great, I like the story and charactor arc, but she feels the plot holes are too distracting in the story to enjoy it.

But we both agree there are too many plot holes,

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and the whole "lone wolf genius" plot line is very annoying and cliche: science progresses mostly through collaboration and sharing. There are lone geniuses, but the work of most scientists, including many considered geniuses, are not irreplaceable. It is very rare for a genius to out perform a coordinated group of scientists when they are working towards the same goal. Good thing they didn't spend too much time on it.

I guess the biggest plot hole is

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potential plot hole

Why didn't they use the super advanced rocky ship to collect the predator, when it can instantly create environment that are livable for humans; instead, they used the super fragile tiny human ship?

[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Perhaps that ship was incapable of approaching the atmosphere for reasons that weren't discussed.

[–] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I feel it is the only reason, but it feels very werid that an alien in a much more advanced ship seeking to save their entire planet don't have ability to a approach planet at their destination.

Or rocky is a way worse pilot than Grace.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

They talked about it in the book. The hail Mary has way better tech/science on it than the blip A. Basically the blip A is iridians first spaceship. It's bare bones and the shit for even collecting astrophage doesn't work. Plus rocky was literally stuck in space wondering around by himself for 40+ years and still couldn't get the stuff to work.

[–] becausechemistry@piefed.social 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

As to your second issue: one ship had a science person and a bunch of equipment that they’d need built to operate in that science person’s environment.

[–] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

But the collection process doesn't need a science person and is extremely dangerous. One ship has a fabrication person (basically can build and repair structures instantly) with robot arm and prob. It doesn't seem like a science person's job to "space walk" (atmosphere walk, really) on a completely unknown planet's atmosphere.

After the collection, they can bring the sample in the lab to test and breed, which is exactly what they did.

[–] selfAwareCoder@programming.dev 6 points 19 hours ago

Part of the book is that everything is slower, it took them weeks to get to the planet from where they met, and Rocky had already spent time retro fitting graces ship to let him live there. (they did not go to the planet with the intention of sampling it, they were just going to sample the line and orbit the planet as an easy way to get close to the line)

It's been a long time since I read the book, but I think they considered the danger relatively low for the ship with their plan to stay high up and were more focused on "maybe we'll lose the bucket risks" and didn't want to go back to rocky ship until they were done because travel time and stuff.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There are a lot more details in the book

But it basically boils down to, that the hail Mary is more capable

Plus, navigating would be a two person job due to the complexity, and grace can't get on board of the blip a (the scene with him in the xenonite suit is movie-only)

[–] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

From what other have pointed out, the blip is much more primitive than hail mary, and Eridian is not really a space-dwelling spices. I guess this is hinted at in the movie: the way they communicate via throwing bottles, they don't understand Grace phoning home, and they don't know about space radiation.

But I feel these are not properly conveyed in the movie: rocky can instantly build tunnel and adjust to environment to make it livable for human (without encountering Grace or visited his ship), and later Grace went on rocky's ship, seems to all suggest Eridian has much more advanced technology than human.

Just a sentence in Graces log probably can set a better tune that human has more advanced tech, but Eridian are better at manufacturing.