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Tbf the guy was also involved in murdering police officers and was helping Israel and the US.
Iran isn’t great and I’m against the death penalty, but they may have had their reasons here.
This comes on the back of Iran murdering thousands of protestors. The article doesn't go into the details, but given this critical piece of information, I would excuse anyone under the basic tenants of self defense.
American police kill that that many people every year.
Both of those things are bad.
Yeah and the US has murdered a lot of people in ICE detention.
I’d be wary of those numbers. Israel and the US have a vested interest in drumming up as much support as possible for their war against Iran.
agreed. when folks come with “yeah but iran murders protestors” and the response is “so does the US” and people dismiss that because “iran murdered thousands…” I like to ask people for the top number they are ok with. Is 2 ok? But 1000 bad? Ok so what about 20? (hinting along that the number should be zero.)
Ok so your counter argument to "but they killed 20k protestors" is literally "would it really be better if they only killed 2?"
no. its not an argument it is a question to the interlocutor; if they are mad at iran but not mad at the US they clearly have a number that is ok.
Sounds like you're the one here with 'a number they're ok with'
And apparently that number is 20k
… i literally said the number should be zero lol.
It's not even close to 2 pr 20. American police kill more than a thousand Americans every year, far more than any other developed country.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
Child killer iran specifically targets young people many times even blinding them by using buck shots they did it in 2009, they did it in 2015-2017 and now they did it again from 2022 to present
And the US just bombed a school and killed many children as well.
Israel specializes in child killing.
🎵 Coin operated boy... 🎵
A very famous one
Places with high infant and child mortality tend to have higher birth rates specifically because people count on not all of their children surviving to adulthood.
Stop spreading FUD about genocide, it’s disgusting.
That birth rate is fairly in line with many Middle East nations which range anywhere from 2-4. Besides, your claim that a high birth rate means that Israel isn’t killing children is a non-sequitur.
You know there were babies born in concentration camps in Nazi Germany, right?
Disgusting.
Ahhh I see the type of cesspool I’ve stepped into here.
Ah yes the valiant and honorable Iranian police
Briefly interrupted from checks notes hanging the gays
I agree with you. Just saying any other country, like Israel and the US, would’ve done the same.
No, civilised countries dont execute.
Which one is civil?
Not sure those are the shining beacons you seemingly imply…
You're misunderstanding. I'm saying that they're as despicable as Iran.
ty for clarification, sorry ot misundersand <3
No worries :)
Of course they had their reasons, he was protesting their tyrannical dictatorship and power. It's not a just reason, but it's a reason.
You think Israel wouldn’t do the same?
How is that relevant? This isn't a zero sum game; it's possible to be critical of both.
I’m not condoning Iran’s actions here. Let’s not sit around and help manufacture consent for this war either.
Your response was, "but Israel would do it too." That's irrelevant to the conversation about the Iranian government killing protesters.
You can condemn the Iranian government for doing bad things and also be against the Israel and US invasion. They're not mutually exclusive. Just like you can condemn the actions of the state of Israel without being antisemitic.
Completely ridiculous "whataboutism" non-sequitur.
How do you know?
Because they tortured him into confessing?
That is the issue. Israel admitted to have agents on the ground. Now it is so easy for the regime to claim everybody could be an agent
Murdering the ayatollah’s cops isn’t a bad thing. Totalitarian regimes and the people who uphold those regimes are fair game imo. Fuck the us and isreal but if was fighting for freedom I’d take any help I could get.
It's not, it's just not "for protesting".
So to fight a brutal regime you are going to support a state who want to replicate the gaza genocide in Iran? So dumb
Easy for someone not making those decisions to say
Answer the question. How a genocide is going to save Iranians
I’ll answer it in terms of the people of Rojava fighting ISIS. They accepted American support even though they are against governments. They fought with air support against an evil totalitarian system and totally destroyed that system. Is the US a good actor? No. But if I was in the YPG I’d want that air support. And I’ve read many accounts of YPG and YPJ soldiers who state that.
I don’t know anything about Iranians because it is locked down there. But I assume the people fighting that government are making similar calculations.
It is so easy for a person living a comfortable western life to judge the people fighting these wars for freedom. I’m not going to sit in judgement because they weren’t pure enough and I greatly dislike those who do.
The usa did not invoke genocidal statements unlike Israel. So answer the question how genociding Iran will save Iranians?
I am pretty sure the parent of those schools girls murdered by the usa in the first day are saying thank you the usa, yeah it terrible that our kids dies but it is a risk we chose to take
I'm pretty sure most of the Iranians who guardedly mentally accepted an apparent offer of support from the USA didn't think they were so massively incompetent or vicious.
Israel want a genocide in Iran. How does a genocide save Iranians? Multiple time the usa ask Iranians to rise up yet the only people showing in the street is the pro regime not the anti regime because most iranians now that an genocidal war is worse than an oppressive regime .
I am pretty sure the parent of those schools girls murdered by the usa in the first day are saying thank you the usa, yeah it terrible that our kids dies but it is a risk we chose to take
It doesn't, don't be obtuse by asking me that.
I replied to your question about why Iranians may have been duped into accepting help from an adversary. Pay attention.
I told you that Israel is trying to do another genocide and you said people support that war . So the gosl of the war is to kill millions of Iranians and not simply changing the regime.
So how a genocide is going to save Iranians?
No, I said they were willing to guardedly accept offers of support from the USA before the war because they were scammed. We were talking about how this protester could do such a thing. Pay attention.
I have no idea what is going on on the ground in Iran right now, I can only imagine. Stop asking stupid questions accusingly.