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[–] krisevol@lemmus.org -3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

They don't have a billion dollars. So where did the money come from to pay the tax?

I'll tell you, it's you. The consumer.

I bet you think China pays the tarrifs too

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

Your comments across this thread show you took Economics 101 and think you understand shit

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Are you deranged? They have net worths in the hundreds of billions of dollars. They make billions more dollars each year. I just explained in detail how they game the tax system to avoid paying taxes on their gains. I'm not going to write it all out for you again just because you missed it the first time.

Yes, obviously their revenue comes from the consumers. In the same way your salary comes from your employer. Money changes hands, that's the whole point. What difference does that make?

By the way, a significant portion of their revenue (with increasing emphasis lately) comes from business-to-business sales. Not the consumer.

And no, China doesn't pay the US tariffs. The US importers do, and they pass the costs on to their consumers. What kind of idiotic strawman/red herring was that supposed to be? If I was a moron who thought China pays US tariffs, I wouldn't be here saying "tax the rich," would I? Stop deflecting from your plutocrat apologia.

[–] krisevol@lemmus.org 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Saying the billionaire don't have a billion dollars, so where does the cash come from to pay the tax? This is a real question and it's the reason no one has figured out how to tax them.

Like i said, the "wealth" elon has is backed from stocks at 350 p/e. That money isn't real. U effectively want to tax something that isn't real.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"the billionaire don't have a billion dollars"

Oh yeah, I forgot "billionaire" is what we call someone who doesn't have a billion dollars...

"No one has figured out how to tax them"

I just explained it in detail, which you continue to ignore. People have figured it out, it's not that complicated. It just doesn't get implemented because politicians are bought by corporate dark money lobby groups, and people like you do a lot of footwork obfuscating the situation on the internet by pretending billionaires are poor and penniless.

"the 'wealth' elon has is backed from stocks at 350 p/e. That money isn't real"

Yes, their net worths are inflated (which gives them benefits on loans, which they use to further inflate their wealth). But that's easy to fix. Either don't let them declare worths that are higher than reality, or tax them at the net worths they declare.

Either way, that doesn't change anything I said about how capital gains are taxed, or how they should be taxed.

Get a clue.

[–] krisevol@lemmus.org 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

But your still didn't explain where the money comes from.

We also call billionaires billionaires because they have a "net worth" of a billion, but having a billion dollars. Example is elon, is he went to the open market and said he is selling all his stock, he would probably get 100 billion. So good net worth would go from 700 billion to 100 billion because he went from a stock evaluation of 350 p/e to 30-35p/e. So that 600 billion disappeared because it isn't real.

So we tax wealth that isn't real, where did the money come from. It didn't come from thin air, it comes from somewhere.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 32 minutes ago

I'm not saying their net worth statements aren't inflated, but that doesn't matter to this conversation because it's not net worth that gets taxed. I already explained how they reduce their tax liability, which is primarily capital gains tax for them, and I mentioned things that could be done about it. This whole argument about their wealth being inflated is a red herring.

Although I don't believe you're being genuine, if you really want to you can look into circular lending and how corporations make a gagglefuck with each other by lending money to each other that they borrowed from each other. But I'm not going to break it all down for you any further because you're clearly not arguing in good faith. If you're just mentally challenged though, I apologize for being harsh.