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Last month, the New York Attorney General (NYAG) brought a lawsuit against Valve accusing the company of promoting “illegal gambling” through its randomized in-game loot boxes. On Wednesday, Valve issued its first public comment on the case, comparing its digital loot boxes to randomized real-world purchases like blind-bagged toys or packs of trading cards.

“Generations have grown up opening baseball card packs and blind boxes and bags, and then trading and selling the items they receive,” Valve wrote. “On the physical side, popular products used in this way include baseball cards, Pokemon, Magic the Gathering, and Labubu.”

Though that may seem like an apt comparison on the surface, Valve’s loot boxes differ from these real-world examples in large part because of Valve’s control of the Steam Marketplace, which serves as the only legitimate way to exchange or resell those items. While owners of real-world items are free to trade or sell them however they want, Valve has cracked down on many third-party sites that enable the exchange of in-game items—especially when those items are used as glorified chips for gambling games.

Lawyers told Ars last month that Valve’s control of that marketplace—and its 15 percent commission on item resale—helps establish the inherent economic value of the randomized items it sells, both to players and to Valve itself. That could be a crucial legal element in a courtroom in turning a mere “random purchase” into legally defined “gambling.”

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[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Edit: Hey everyone, you can disregard the above comment by TehPers, because they clarified that they actually aren't claiming booster packs are illegal:

If you are only arguing about what is or isn’t legal, then you’re wasting your time. I’m not a lawyer, nor in a position to rule on laws. I don’t know if something gave you the impression otherwise.

;P

Thank you for clarifying to all of us that you do not comment in good faith. It makes it much easier for me to know which people to block.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

me to know which people to block

Frankly, I don't mind. I don't love being accused of posting in bad faith and berated just because you forgot what you originally posted. Cheers.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Flagging @TehPers@beehaw.org on this response, as it applies to both of you. You're reasonable, longtime, constructive members on Beehaw. Maybe someone's having a bad day, but it saddens me to see the two of you going at each other. I don't feel there's a rift here, just disagreement over wording.

This said, we're all adults. I'm just more confused than anything, and I'm sure as fuck not going to take a side. This interaction wasn't Beeing nice.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Seeing as I can't see the thread anymore for previously mentioned reasons (yet oddly I can reply to you because you pinged me), I'm not sure which mod currently holds the reins over this community, but feel free to just delete the whole thread.

There's a discussion in another post that is almost certainly related to this one. I alluded to it when I came to that conclusion, which might have confused you.