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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Whack that straw man, go for it. You’ll defeat it soon!

So, he created terror among the Romulans? They sure didn’t seem terrified to me.

Absolute clown.

Exactly, so no members of the public were harmed

Both he and his crew were members of the public.

Garak wasn’t trying to evoke fear of terrorism in the public

Ah, so now it has to be specifically "fear of terrorism in the public" to qualify. This is ridiculous, I'm not going to engage with these shifted goalposts.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Absolute clown.

You are, but I'm still willing to listen if you have a better argument and aren't going to just set up a strawman argument.

Both he and his crew were members of the public.

No, he was a senator, his crew were the private crew of a senator.

Ah, so now it has to be specifically "fear of terrorism in the public" to qualify

Yes, that's what terrorism is.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

You are

Wow, we've reached "I know you are but what am I." While once again completely ignoring a valid point on no basis. You literally said, "So, he created terror among the Romulans? They sure didn’t seem terrified to me," and now you're doubling down on calling arguing against that a "strawman."

No, he was a senator, his crew were the private crew of a senator.

And? That in no way makes them not count as "the public."

Absolutely insane that your argument here is "it doesn't count as terrorism because he targeted a political figure." Targeting a political figure makes it more obviously terrorism!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Targeting a political figure makes it more obviously terrorism!

No, that makes it assassination. That's exactly what the DS9 team says happened.

Terrorism is the use of violence against the general public to change behaviours or policies. The reason it is called terrorism is that it works via terror. The threat is that the attacks will continue until the changes are made. So, the general public are terrified that they'll be hurt in the next attack.

In the case of Garrack, the target isn't the general public, nor is the assassination in an area near the general public, nor are there meaningful casualties other than the prime target. Already this disqualifies it as being terrorism. Nobody is going to be afraid that the next attack is going to hurt them because they're not likely to be flying out of Romulan space on a diplomatic mission. There's no worry that they might be next, so there's no terror.

In addition, if Garrack is a terrorist, what are his demands as a terrorist? When does he make it clear that he's behind the attack, and that similar attacks will happen unless his aims are achieved?

What Garrack did isn't terrorism. It was a false flag assassination. His goal wasn't even to cause fear in anyone. It was to get the Romulans to believe the evidence he planted that the Dominion were planning to invade Romulus. There's nothing about what happened that even comes close to terrorism.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

That’s exactly what the DS9 team says happened.

That's literally just a clip from the episode lmao. That's not "the DS9 team" saying it wasn't terrorism.

Terrorism is the use of violence against the general public to change behaviours or policies.

Here's the definition google gives me:

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals. While no single, universally accepted definition exists, it commonly involves premeditated violence, targets non-combatants, and seeks to influence a broader audience beyond the immediate victims

Every single element of that definition is met by Garak's actions. You're trying to shift definitions (both from the generally accepted meaning, and from your earlier claims where you said that it wasn't terrorism because people "didn't seem terrified") and arbitrarily claiming targeting politicians somehow makes it not count. There is absolutely no requirement that the victims of an act of terrorism must not be political figures.

Nobody is going to be afraid that the next attack is going to hurt them because they’re not likely to be flying out of Romulan space on a diplomatic mission

Again, complete nonsense. It's not about whether people are "afraid the next attack is going to hurt them." That has absolutely nothing to do with it. In your mind, do you think rural farmers in Montana watched an attack on the financial center of New York and thought, "Oh my god, they could've just as easily decided to go after my farm!"

And again - the Romulans literally do think that the next attack is going to hurt them! That's why they go to war with the Dominion! Because the point of Garak's actions is to convince them that the Dominion is a threat to Romulus itself! Not just shuttles transporting politicians!

You are wrong on so many levels that even if your completely incorrect premises were true, you'd still be wrong!

In addition, if Garrack is a terrorist, what are his demands as a terrorist? When does he make it clear that he’s behind the attack, and that similar attacks will happen unless his aims are achieved?

None of those are requirements for terrorism, even by your own definition.

What Garrack did isn’t terrorism. It was a false flag assassination.

What Bin Laden did wasn't terrorism, it was hijacking. Or is it possible that a thing can be both terrorism and another thing at the same time?

His goal wasn’t even to cause fear in anyone. It was to get the Romulans to believe the evidence he planted that the Dominion were planning to invade Romulus.

And he wanted them to believe that evidence in order to cause fear that the Dominion would attack them.

There’s nothing about what happened that even comes close to terrorism.

You have to be trolling, there is no possible way for you to be this dumb.