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[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

While I agree with you completely, isn't that also what we currently have and all of it is being done for the purpose of profit chasing which wouldn't exist in a society without a government imposed system of value?

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Profit chasing would not only exist, but would be allowed to run rampant and unchecked without government oversight.

Governing structures are a naturally emergent phenomenon of not only humanity, but all life.

Imagine what Bezos and Musk would do without any sort of government restriction at all? Historically speaking, those people under "anarchy" become warlords, chiefs, kings. In its simplist form, the power is held by those who are the best at violence. That is what biases almost every culture towards patriarchy in the first place. Eventually more cunning ambitious people emerge and find ways to form alliances and engage in politics. This has happened throughout all of human history and pre-dates concepts like nationalism or statehood. An example would be that the Congo was colonized by King Leopold personally, not the kingdom of Belgium.

If we dissolved every state in the world today, the world would instantly re-form into new states: X, Meta, Google, Microsoft, Amazon. Palantir might be their own state. Then you have the defense contractors.

So in my estimation if we are going to have states, those states should recognize their power comes from the people in a democratic process, not money or land. The state should be used to regulate out greed: the most successful states are the ones that remove profit incentives through regulation. The problem with pretty much every state is that we allowed money to centralize decades ago, to the point where that money can use its power to take control of the state. Eventually this leads to revolution, though whether it's a matter of days or decades is up for debate.

The system of value is imposed by the people, otnthe government. The government is an attempt to model that system of values.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but if you're bowling with the bumpers up and can't hit the pins, removing the bumpers will not help. And instead of having to go through the government beaurocracy they could just do it directly.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is a good analogy too, because in the "anarchy system", nothing stops someone from just walking up and kicking all the pins over for a perfrect 300 game every time, while batting away all other balls.

Except of course, someone else doing that same thing, it just escalates into violence on top of the pins until one bully kills the other and continues to "bown" perfect 300 games.

Meanwhile we have a pack of people who just increasinly wonder what is the point of even playing.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 41 minutes ago

There is something that stops people from doing that, it's everyone else stopping them. Anarchism is not "do whatever you want despite it harming the community" or pacifism.

And news flash, we already live in a world of violence, the state has a monopoly on it and we see how unjust it is applied every day. They use that monopoly on violence to protect the likes of the Epstein class and murder minorities, and always have.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Profit chasing would absolutrly exist in a system without restriction and would be 1000x worse because there is a chunk of the human population that completely lacks empathy and the ability to think rationally into the future beyond instant reward "now".

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Profit chasing would absolutely not exist in an anti-capitalist system, because there would be no profit.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 11 minutes ago

Is there no personal property? Do workers now not control the fruits of their own labor?