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[โ€“] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Including them. They can feel less guilty, but democracy means that the people decide and they are part of the people.

If they don't agree with the vote they have to look for means to convince the rest and change the vote.

[โ€“] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I am willing to accept that for myself.

But when it comes to getting others to act, I would rather use ability/agency than responsibility/guilt.

We can figure our whose job/fault it was later.

Right now, we do what we can to fix things.

[โ€“] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Right now, we do what we can to fix things.

Are people doing enough?

Most people don't do what they can.Trump can do whatever he wants because Putin got him elected and most people haven't voted for him, or voted for him and agree.

I hadn't noticed the strong link between guilt and responsibility. I just think that people are responsible. But now it makes sense as a strategy:

This is the point where one person is singled out as the cause of the trouble and is expelled or killed by the group. This person is the scapegoat. Social order is restored as people are contented that they have solved the cause of their problems by removing the scapegoated individual, and the cycle begins again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating#Scapegoat_mechanism

Trump is a scapegoat that takes all the guilt so people are not motivated to act.

Coincidentally this and Girard in general are Peter Thiel's favorite theory so my guess is that it is done on purpose.

Which leaves the question how people can be motivated to act according to their abilities. All the skills are there. How do they know that it is their turn to act to maintain international law?

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

At first that was WTF, but now I'm seeing it.

I'd extend that to dictatorships and autocracies as well, since autocrats only have the power people around them give. The thing is, we're all guilty, so kind of nobody is.

[โ€“] Quantillion@mstdn.io 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

@CanadaPlus @plyth
So in other words ALL Americans are now bombing schools & arming genocide.

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

All people, even, since borders are themselves something that only exist because we acknowledge them. Appropriate username for that.