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[–] PDFuego@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This is what I hate about the "broken clock is right twice a day" thing. The process you use to get to a conclusion needs to be sound for it to matter. If you have a couple thousand stopped clocks showing different times, you can't claim to always know the correct time just because it's in there somewhere.

Sure, atrazine causes birth defects in frogs. If you tell me that frogs are being intentionally turned gay because the globalists are using them to test a chemical weapon that will be used to turn people gay so that they'll stop reproducing as part of a global depopulation plan, then you support a president who relaxes regulations on chemical disposal including atrazine, you don't get to wait for most people to forget all that context and claim your initial kernel of partial-truth as a victory. This is exactly the same thing, and we see it over and over and over and over.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Also, some conspiracies are always going to be right, but the details matter.

"There's a cabal of rich people who run the world!" I mean, yes. Obviously. But, the method matters here.

"Rich people make blood sacrifices in cult meetings, then replace the president with an android and the prime minister with a clone" is not the same as "rich people buy up newspapers and throw lavish fundraising dinners."

As for the main conspiracy, IMO it's not credible that everybody in Epstein's circle was a pedophile. It's not even credible that everyone in his circle knew he was one. I'm sure you don't become a billionaire without already being the kind of person who has a problem with empathy. But, Epstein's circle wasn't just billionaires. It was also intellectuals, politicians, artists, etc. Even if 99% of them were either pedophiles or perfectly OK with pedophilia (which seems unlikely) that remaining 1% could ruin his life.

What's believable is that he had an enormous circle of rich and powerful people, and that a small subset of them were in an inner circle where the child rape happened. In that case, it isn't that every rich and powerful person is part of a pedophile ring. It's that rich and powerful people were meeting and conspiring, and also some of them were pedophiles.

Having said that, I'm perfectly happy if the popular story is that everybody who was buddies with Epstein is a pedophile and should be removed from society, if not removed from the realm of the living. Those people deserve that kind of punishment, but not because they're pedophiles. But, it's too exhausting to try to convince people that someone like Bill Gates deserves to have his life ruined, even if he isn't a pedophile.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It's worth reminding that the 4chan founder is in the Epstein files discussing the launch of conspiracy theories to manipulate the masses.

Right after the discussion, the 4chan "political" channel is created, filled with conspiracy theories, and will lead to QAnon.

The pizzagate was a most likely a planned diversion.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My mother in law guessed the sex of my baby, twice. She guess both girl and boy. Then when the baby pictures arrived, she was really smug: "See, I told you! I have a feeling about these things!".

That's when I knew to never listen to another word she says.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's a 1 in 4 chance of guessing both right. With odds like those, she should be playing the lottery.

[–] Ourst@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She's playing both sides to come out on top, it's clever!

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

Not when it's blatantly obvious.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think pizzagate was a broken clock being right. Podestas email evidence was not compelling but the pushback against the theory was disproportionate.