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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

It's like you have absolutely no understanding of how the system actually works, and have chosen to ignore history.

The GOP is never going to cede one inch to the Dems on anything, ever. Obama picked the ACA plan because it was based on a GOP idea and they fought him tooth and nail until the final vote. Then they turned around and demanded the Supreme Court abolish it.

The only way you'll get any change under the current system is to elect a Dem super majority in every election for the next fifty years.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

YOU have chosen to ignore history. And how typically in authoritarian takeovers, the first step to fighting the takeover is to abandon the captured opposition party and to start fresh with something new. A popular front is usually needed to defeat them. Authoritarians often let toothless opposition parties continue to operate. And there are always blind fools like yourself who insist that they must be supported, though they are just another tool of the autocrat.

The only way you’ll get any change under the current system is to elect a Dem super majority in every election for the next fifty years.

This shows you are not a serious person. If that is your solution, then I can only conclude that you actually support Trump and the Fascist party.

Democrats are not a real opposition party. They are the potemkin opposition, fully captured by the Fascists.

[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 7 points 18 hours ago

Dems right now are Fascist light not as crazy but fucking useless and on the same payroll as fascist full fat

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

So, what exactly is your plan for the 2026 election?

How exactly are you going to counter Trump?

Be specific and provide as many details as possible.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 11 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

You guys should do like the French, really. Revolt. Anything short of that won’t achieve shit.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

LA GUILLOTINE I LONG FOR LA GUILLOTINE

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

How brave of you to volunteer other people to attack the barricades.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Your people are threatening to invade my neighbouring country. Americans made this mess. Americans get to fix it.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Don't worry.

Trump

Always

Chickens

Out

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 6 points 17 hours ago

Trump isn’t the problem. Lop his head off and you’ll have achieved catharsis but it won’t be a solution to any problems. A lot more heads need to roll before anything is solved.

You can’t vote your way out of it because the system is built for those with money. You need to change the entire system and no one who is currently benefiting from that system will aid you in that.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 15 hours ago

I'm not American. Fix your own damned problems.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Fuck elections. General strike until our demands are met.

Hold their precious 'economy' hostage while we still can -- before they replace us all with robots.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Nice idea.

Now provide the details of how you do it.

It's easy to say things, not that easy to make them happen.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

1: Gather a group of people. (I've got a few, need a lot more.)

2: Come up with a list of demands those people can mostly agree on. (I've got ideas, of course, but so does everybody. It's not my place to unilaterally decide what the strike's demands will be.)

3: Mutual aid networks to assist people who get fired from their jobs (or worse) in retaliation for participating in the strike. Build emergency caches of food, household essentials, arms, and medical supplies. Organize temporary shelter plans for anyone made homeless by participating in the strike. (I've got plenty of food to share if necessary, and I have a camper trailer in my back yard someone can stay in if necessary. And I've got a bunch of old lumber and building supplies I could slap together into some additional makeshift huts if really necessary -- they wouldn't have indoor plumbing, but they'd at least have a roof, walls, and heat. I could support 2 or 3 people easily. Maybe 5 to 10 in a pinch.)

4: Announce the strike. Begin withholding labor and minimizing all economic participation until the demands from Step 2 are met. (Not only refuse to sell your labor, but also refuse to buy anything, as much as possible. Also, for good measure, withdraw all your money from the bank so they can't collect interest on it.) (This does not mean that participants will 'do no work' and just sit around all day. You still have work -- supporting the strike. Work in a food kitchen to support those going hungry because they're on strike. Deliver food and supplies to strikers who can't make it to that kitchen. Build temporary shelters for strikers who need them. Provide security against the inevitable strike-busting violence. Etc.)

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

So, no actual organizations in place. No financing. No leadership.

It's not a plan, it's a wish list for Santa Claus.

[–] whiskers165@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

You can start working on mutual aid today. it's not a wish list, it's something you can actually incorporate into your life. At a bare minimum treat it like church and participate for at least a couple of hours a week.

Ive been involved with a group making free food for the community for eight years. This is going to be a generational struggle. You already think that it would take 50 years of Democratic super majorities to accomplish anything, what's a decade or two of working to build robust community organizations that would facilitate a general strike?

And the icing on the cake is you can still vote for your democratic super majority; mutual aid/community organizing and voting are not mutually exclusive although I have to say voting is a very passive activity you might do a couple times a year a most. Building community organizations and mutual aid networks is much more involved and takes diligence and continual effort.

There's no reason you can't do both. If you are serious about fixing this country we are going to need to do everything we possibly can and then sustain that effort until the job is done.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This is going to be a generational struggle.

Then we should also be planning for the 2026 elections...

[–] whiskers165@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Oh my goodness, you are one tracking on elections so hard. You ignore everything I say and circle right back around to voting. Alright I'll humor you.

Our plan for 2026 election:

-Vote in primary if applicable

-Vote in general

Great, super easy to get all of our planning done. It took all of five seconds and when it comes time to actually vote it will take less than an hour. I don't understand why we need to plan something this simple so far in advance but now we've got a plan.

Now that thats out of the way we can focus on more important things like finding ways to build more robust communities and serve our neighbors in need. The Democrats aren't coming to save anyone for literally years, there are hungry, unhoused, and unemployed people that need help now.

Do you even have a plan for what you will do if the Democrats don't win the election? What about if the Democrats win the election but still screw the working class? Are you going to wait 50 years to see if voting Democrat works or not before you try anything else? Given the Democrats performance over the past 50 years I'd say starting and stopping your political engagement at voting and electoralism is magical thinking, a hail Mary, all eggs in one basket, a recipe for disaster.

Say it with me, voting and mutual aid are not mutually exclusive. You can do both at the same time. Mutual aid/community organizing takes hard work on a regular basis while voting is a passive affair that takes a couple of hours a year at most. Of the two spending more of your focus and energy on the lower effort, passive option is a recipe for failure.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 57 minutes ago

The GOP elected a dead pimp.

Here's the link. Read it several times.

https://apnews.com/article/dennis-hof-pimp-election-death-afd73fee87e5442ca72b7179c593089e

Did you read it? Do you understand?

Elections are what matters most.

You're going against people who will vote for the worst humans imaginable.

They got the Supreme Court because they vote in every election.

Whatever else you do doesn't matter if they can make it illegal.

It's meaningless unless you have a government that isn't trying to destroy you.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No financing. No leadership.

Financing corrupts, leadership is corruptible.

We need a bottom-up movement without that shit.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 1 hour ago

No leadership?

Read 'The Autobiography Of Malcolm X.'

He said that there's no achievement without leadership. even if it's only you, you have to discipline yourself.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Nah, you're arguing in bad faith.

[–] lolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

Don’t feed the sea lions

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Satisfy my curiosity.

Exactly which words demonstrated by 'bad faith?'

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

It's your attitude and it's as obvious as a zit on your nose. Nobody here owes you anything, and you've been treated with kid gloves by some very kind, intelligent people. I am neither of those things. Sit down, shut up, listen, and maybe learn something.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 34 minutes ago

So, what exactly is your plan for the 2026 election?

How exactly are you going to counter Trump?

Be specific and provide as many details as possible.

That's my original comment, the one that has you in such a tizzy.

I use a loaded word like 'tizzy' because what you wrote makes no objective sense.

I asked to hear a plan and was told that I was acting in 'bad faith.'

And now you tell me to 'listen'

Is there any point where I'll hear the plan?

Because I really want to hear this plan.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Obama picked the ACA plan because it was based on a GOP idea and they fought him tooth and nail until the final vote. Then they turned around and demanded the Supreme Court abolish it.

The only way you’ll get any change under the current system is to elect a Dem super majority in every election for the next fifty years.

They had a Dem supermajority during that time. And what did they do with it? They bent over backwards trying to 'reach across the aisle' and giving the GOP every single thing they asked for.

Expect the same thing if they come into power again.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -1 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

And what is your alternative?

What should we do in the 2026 elections?

Please provide a detailed plan.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

Put all those new warehouses to good use.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Elect people who are running on assigning corruption charges instead of vibes

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 5 points 15 hours ago

As I said in my other post, elections will never fix it. Our power lies in General Strike.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 18 hours ago

Pot meet kettle. A Dem supermajority means nothing when they do nothing but play controlled opposition.