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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

George Carlin (who is idolized and rightly so, mostly) had a line in one of his standup specials where he said "you show me a tropical fruit and I'll show you a cocksucker from Guatemala". Homophobia was just so normalized back then (this was the '80s). Eddie Murphy had a whole routine (which he has since apologized for, to his credit) imagining Mr. T as a homosexual ("Hey boy you lookin' mighty cute in them jeans!"). Robin Williams (also idolized here) routinely acted gay for the humor value of it (such as it was).

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

George Carlin (who is idolized and rightly so, mostly) had a line in one of his standup specials where he said “you show me a tropical fruit and I’ll show you a cocksucker from Guatemala”. Homophobia was just so normalized back then (this was the ‘80s).

I don't think this bit was homophobic at all, and that you've misinterpreted it, through omission and otherwise. If anything, homophobia is part of what is being laughed at (and a small piece of the overall joke). I'll explain.

To begin with, you left out key parts of the joke; he wasn't expressing that as himself. Here's the full bit:

I remember something my third grade teacher used to say. She used to say "You show me a tropical fruit, and I'll show you a cocksucker from Guatemala." No, wait... that wasn't her. That was a guy I met in the Army.

While the joke uses "fruit" as slang for gay as part of it, that isn't actually even the punchline, the wordplay is just a vehicle for it. The humor primarily hinges on the notion of a grade school teacher saying something that crass (the second part specifically) to a child, coupled with the implication that it was something she said more than once ("used to say" instead of "said").

Then he realizes it was some grunt who was in the Army with him (who it'd make more sense to say something crass/uncouth like that), which adds another element of humor in 'how could he possibly mix those two people up?'. If anything, that hypothetical Army guy is being laughed at in part for the homophobic slur usage.

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep! And that's part of the culture I grew up in and came to age in. Media that demonized and mocked gay men (and really all gay people), even otherwise progressive and lighthearted media.

It was damaging to me as a child. More so than a lot of people could ever realize.

Also disheartening is that a lot of my super religious family will use the term cocksucker as a derogatory statement right in front of me, knowing I'm gay. These are the same exact people who literally freak out and act like you've shot their mother in front of them if you say the word "fuck" or "god damn".

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Cocksucker is just a good word to say; in my language the word for Cancer (yes we curse with that) is used in the same way and is also very controversial.