A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

we support socialist systems where the working classes hold the authority in society, rather than capitalists.

I feel like, despite this being explained every time, people still think "dictatorship of the proletariat" is a bad thing because of the word "dictatorship"...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Yep, or they realize it means democratic control by the proletariat, dictatorship against capitalists and fascists, as Marx intended, but then think socialist countries all misunderstood Marx and established capitalist-style dictatorships of the few. This is a deeply chauvanist attitude though, that assumes people in socialist countries too stupid to understand basic Marxist concepts (despite having higher functional literacy rates than the US Empire).

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

No its because this person is lying. They dont honestly believe in a worker run democracy. Its just a palatable phrase they use to appear less extreme.

They support a political class with total control benevolently dishing out to the working population.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, not what I believe at all, and the fact that you have to invent my beliefs proves you can't actually argue against my real ones.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

1 search for "vanguard" returns several comments of you supporting a vanguard party. That is not "worker run" or democratic. So why lie and pretend you support democracy or workers?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Vanguards are both worker run and democratic. Vanguards are a subsection of the working classes, not a class of their own or outside class struggle, and are both democratic internally, as well as establishing systems of democracy externally. I'm really not sure where you're getting the idea that believing the working class needs to be organized for revolution means democracy is suddenly off the table.

For example, in the USSR, first-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about. Today we have Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference for other socialist countries, with their own forms of democracy.

So again, why lie about what I believe? I'm not responsible for you not knowing what a vanguard is or how socialist democracy works, but you feel very confident in telling me that I'm lying about it.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Vanguard parties are not working class how could they be. Are you going to have a vanguard party of steel workers running your country no that would be stupid. They are educated elites your comment explaining that so dont act like its wrong.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

"Intellectuals," or whatever term you wish to describe them as, are not a class, but a subsection of every class. Each class has its own "intellectuals," there are proletarian intellectuals and there are capitalist intellectuals. What the vanguard is, is a group of the working classes dedicated to revolution, professional revolutionaries. They are not "elites." Here's a diagram from Lady Izdihar:

Classes are not simply any way you can categorize people, but specific social relations to production. Yes, steel workers are often members of vanguard parties. I organize with a communist party and have a full-time job. I'm not "acting" like you're mistaken, you are mistaken, you do not know how vanguards function nor how democracy works within vanguards and socialist countries with vanguard parties, otherwise you wouldn't be acting like vanguards are a "class" and that they aren't democratic.

[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What makes you think this way?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

what eighty years of anticommunist propaganda does to a mf