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I was part of that thread your speaking about and regarding the hate boner against feddit_org, I can only speak for myself obviously.

I joined the lemmy-verse via the now defunct feddit_de (now feddit_org) due to the reddit apicalypse. The shit I've seen on there was vile. Not just the zionism but for example a ML comrade made repeated attempts at reaching out, he tried to build a comm and they took his reconciliatory measure of co-modding it and wrecked the comm and bullied him till he just deleted his account. The tone policing was incredible, no one is allowed to get angry or emotional, no matter how offensive something is. I think it was this fatshaming thread that got me boiling over and decide to throw caution and good-faith into the wind. (You can see it live, I'm branchial on there).

The casual racism against muslims (and if a fedditor comes in here saying "muslims aren't a race" so help me god) was standard for germans but seeing it spelled out it's somehow more galling. Or the fact that this is coming from what passes in this cursed country for a left. Maybe both. "Imported antisemitism", "CDU is right for wanting to ban headscarves", "Mosques are used by foreign governments to subvert our democracy and therefore they should be under heavy surveillance" are some of the discussions I had there years ago of the top of my head.

This was around the start of the west waking up to piSSrahell's evil and every anti-pissraeli talking point got put under a microscope while hasbara got a pass because the good newspapers were repeating it verbatim. Stuff like "nooo pissrael wouldn't bomb hospitals, that was clearly a hamas rocket misfiring" (it wasn't), the "mass rape" hoax is still being repeated by fedditors! The nova festival massacre is being blamed on "khhhamas" &c. you get the picture.

And in the past couple years I have never had a fedditor make me question my resolve to not bother with a good faith counter. They are so "aware" of antisemitism that they don't see their islamophobia.

Their ignorance is only rivaled by their arrogance. They are consistently the most "let me explain to you how the world works sweaty" stereotypical westerner that is marinated in imperialist propaganda but somehow thinks everyone else is getting a distorted picture despite now years of evidence of our media being in lockstep with the US state department. All of them will repeat the same lies in unison but most damning of all is the collective silence on the uncomfortable truths. But somehow the fedditors don't think this is an issue with their "free" press.

This is not true of every single individula yadda yadda but a @feddit.org behind a username is a damn good predictor of it.

With no proper segue let me also give my thoughts on the topic of antisemitism in antizionism. I belive we need to be very charitable with antizionist comrades particularly in international spaces. We can't expect an arab to know anything about western nazi's dogwhistles. They might retweet or like a tweet by "PepeLover1488" completely unironically, I don't know the .ml poster in questions background but I've seen them around enough to know that they aren't an antisemite. And so a fedditor "already knowing" that said poster is an antisemite and playing coy with how they know this is not going to be interpreted charitably. Westerners are projecting their many centuries of antisemitism onto arabs who just don't have that past. It's not the arabs fault their oppressors are jewish and asking them to be mindful of that is like pointing at the armenian genocide and asking some colonial country to be mindful of their oppressors christian faith. Zionism is a jewish supremacist movement, and any "fuck the jews" coming from a non-european has to be interpreted like "fuck the christians" from a queer person or indigenous person who is oppressed by the christian supremacist movements (and anyone trying to link them by talking about "judeochristian values" should get the wall). Here is a much better explanation of what I'm talking about.