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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They store it in a carousel on the bottom of the tank just under the turret.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Sounds like something out of WH40K. Lots of firepower with a 0% survival change if hit.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Well, it makes sense for the loading mechanism they use and on paper it leads to a higher rate of fire due to the more accessible rounds.

However, when asking Ukrainian tank crews, who operate both Russian and Western style tanks, what they prefer, the answer is pretty much always western tanks. Better ergonomics is also a thing (Russian/Soviet tanks are notoriously cramped) but I guess the higher survivability even after a full penetration might be what tips the scales.

[–] Gust@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russian tanks have excellent ergonomics, provided you happen to be a Chimpanzee. If you don't have really short legs, really long arms, and absurd upper body strength to operate the various manually cranked parts though, you're gonna have a bad time in a Russian tank.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why did they make a machine that would be better operated by chimpanzees?
Are they planning something?

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The thing is, you can design an autoloader in a way that protects the crew.

The survability of western tanks isn't just about where the ammo is stored, but how it's stored. Western tanks, both with and without autoloaders, place all the ammo at the back, either of the turret or the hill respectively. More importantly, the ammo is stored in a heavily armoured compartment, which has blow-out panels on the outside of the vehicle; the ammo detonates the panels collapse, allowing the force of the explosion to spread out from the tank.

The problem with the T90 design (which is really just an updated T72) is that the autoloader is attached to the bottom of the turret basket. This means there's no possible way to vent the explosion outside, other than by going through the turret, and through the crew along the way.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The thing is, you can design an autoloader in a way that protects the crew.

Yes, you can. But they didn't. Hence, why I said it makes sense in this specific case.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At this point I'm waiting for a war thunder player to leak us some documents

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Leak documents about military hardware that can be found in museums?

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

I don't know maybe they added shackles for the prisoner soldiers

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

Considering the general lack of population and the issues it will cause for both Ukraine and Russia, I think Ukraine's preference for survivable tanks is the smart move. No point in winning the war if your nation becomes insolvent.

*the higher rate of fire can occur inside the tank occasionally

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah western tanks have their ammo stored in the turret bustle with blast panels and blast doors that save the crew in the case of ammo being hit (if the doors are closed and if the shell that hits ammo did not punctire said doors). They also often use propellant less susceptible to exploding if the ammo gets hit.

The russian tanks on the other side have a way smaller silhouette as well as being cramped to all hell which just compounds this issue.

[–] copd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Cries in British Challenger 2 with no blow out panels

[–] TwodogsFighting 1 points 2 days ago

Other way round really.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago