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The right stops letting doctors measure COVID cases so politicians can falsely claim countermeasures are unnecessary
The left stops letting cops measure crime so the people can prove police are unnecessary
They walked so we could run
The CDC primarily measured average COVID cases through waste contamination tests, not hospitals testing and reporting numbers. If you cut the funding for those tests to the CDC then yeah, they aren't going to do the sewage tests to measure the rates. No such thing has happened for the NYPD.
Crime rates usually come from the incident reports filed directly by police officers. In a healthy policing scenario, most of these incident reports are created from someone calling or notifying the police about something going on, not from them just stumbling onto something.
If anything may this indicate that police were purposely instigating and escalating incidents, depending on what the percentages of "community instigated incidents" are. It could also just mean that it is fucking cold outside and people just aren't doing shit at all. These numbers don't really mean anything without a hell of a lot of extra context.
However, the statistical relationship between an increase in policing and a decrease in crime has always been tenuous, at best.
Fuck the police
Do you think cops are statisticians or something lmao? Even if a ton of pigs walk out, reports of crimes are still recorded
If a cop does arrests someone, some kind of report gets filed, by the cop or someone in the dept. That report goes into a database. That database is searched by whoever makes the crime reports, to determine what crimes are being committed, where, how much, etc., the admin of the individual police officers are also cops.
The amount of crime that is caused is used to justify increases in the police budget and expansion of the force. Politicians do shit like making unhoused illegal, so that more "crimes" are committed (when actual crime is on the decline), so they can justify increasing police budgets because their constituents are racist and love pigs. Q.E. motherfuckin D.
Also I was half joking, im surprised how many comments there were to my stupid post
It's because "@midwest.social" is taken as a liberal bat signal here, hexbears will always think the user is a lib being dead serious without the hint of sarcasm or irony
Unfortunate side effect of federation
Really? ive heard that before from bears but ive never really seen it myself. The owner admin of the instance is an authentic leftist, kinda ancom in my experience. The admin worked with me for some of my meddlesome socialist schemes in the past, and we know some of the same people in our state. Although, it is the Midwest, so the average user might just be a little backward. hell I've been dressed down by bears more than once, it fucking sucks.
Still love you guys but its mostly unrequited . i used to be a bear myself, but I got banned from a comm for being a trot
Unfortunately I think a lot of people here (myself included, though I try to check myself) don't give the benefit of the doubt to anyone not on Hexbear or Lemmygrad. It's led to a lot of awkward and avoidable friendly fire imho.
Your instance is constantly under attack. There's a certain logic to defensiveness that, imo, isnt very compatible with socialist liberation. The siege mindset has its own rules, and your instance is legit a safe space for vulnerable people.
In order to combat it, your instance would need something like a party program, organization and a practical form of education. Meanwhile all of your enemies are invisible. Its enough to drive anyone to become defensive, that's why people come to harass your members and be disgusting chauvinists on your instance.p
I don't appreciate the way some bears respond to me, especially over occasional authentic political disagreements, but I understand it and try not to take it personal. Although some bears can be especially nasty. I think there are things y'all could do to improve it, I wish that hexbears would self-organize in a conspicuous, widespread, and meaningful way. Short of that though, its just the internet, not worth it for me to get bent out of shape over. Hexbear do Hexbear, and I'm rooting for you all
Don't know what to tell you, we keep getting libs with lib takes from that instance, and we have no toleration of liberalism here, not at this late date
ironically reactionary
To be fair it would be infinitely more ironic for us to be tolerant of people who want to see us and the planet die for the sake of markets
absolutely, if this were real life. unfortunately you can't do anything materially productive online other than education, which is only possible for the tolerant.
especially when it ends up just being incorrectly directed defensiveness rather than any real or meaningful criticism.
the unfortunate reality is the overwhelming majority of the opposition aren't this evil, morally corrupt organized group, but instead just victims of ever declining education standards, material conditions, and manipulation via propaganda. you can't punish people for being victims, although that isn't to say you shouldn't rehabilitate to avoid further harm. idk I'm tangenting atp
You've made one crucial error, you're assuming people open to our political thought are ideological liberals and that the majority of the population are the same
They are not, the average person is idiosyncratic without any firm commitment to ideology beyond unconscious conditioning, those people are not liberals and are open to persuasion and that doesn't require tolerance of liberalism
Ideological liberals on the other hand are not persuadable, they are committed to the project of advancing capitalism and will kill me and you for a paycheck
There is no advantage to our position in pretending liberalism holds any truths which is what toleration would require
They do not tolerate our worldview and seek to undermine it at every level of society from the lowest internet forum to the halls of congress, we have to do the same to overcome that chilling effect
perhaps we have different definitions of tolerance here. by tolerance, I don't mean coexistence, I mean not demonizing and considering irredeemable. I mean reeducation camps not execution. I mean recognizing the situationalism and contextualism of our current political climate and having some empathy.
for the record, I never have thought people are ideologically consistent. even here, I actively see political scatter plots going off.
Probably an pointless gesture, but. Completely different context, but there's some nuggets that might be applicable to the zero tolerance posture. Also it's a fucking classic, can't read it enough!
I don't really operate under the zero tolerance mandate, personally and in my organizing I feel like I have to tolerate a great deal of liberalism. Mamdani (only mentioned cuz he's features in the meme and generally regarded positively in this post thread) was backed by NYC-DSA, and that chapter is very much on the right of the org, moderate "Democratic party realignment" advocates, but still very effective, active, organized comrades. We struggle against that tendency of DSA every day, literally spent about an hour talking to a comrade about it earlier. In the meantime, tons of new people are joining the org, many have some kooky ideas and wrongheadedness. To me i need to try and educate, thats the nature of my work and i seem to have a knack for it. Liberalism cant be combatted as an individual ideology, only as a structural manifestation of bourgeois opportunism (incidentally another major insight of Lenin's LWC.)
OTOH, Im not involved in the concerted efforts keeping your instance a safe place. Seems like there's a vicious campaign against your instance that is just completely undeserved. I commend the zero tolerance for racism, transphobia, all forms of chauvinism; and those things def go hand in hand with liberalism.
It's a hard problem. I hope I'm not coming off preachy just sharing my experience. And like you said, this historical phase will sort us out sooner rather than later, one way or the other.
like most of the anglosphere, midwest has an anti-AES/pro NATO problem
Cops dont measure shit lol
That's not true, many cops measure skull shape with their calipers.
Calipers are too sophisticated for cops, they have to resort to
They have a measured response for a puppy barking while wagging it's tail: mag dump
Why would the police lower crime to help someone they despise?
What? What I said isnt analysis. Its just an admittedly dumb comment.
This might be the wrong sub to be not 1000% serious
Sorry I think some of us are a bit too trigger happy when it comes to other instances and your joke was a bit too vague but I found it amusing
Like don't get me wrong, if an actual bootlicker (be they lib or chud) came in here and started talking shit I'd pull out all the big guns and open fire without hesitation but I don't think you actually crossed a line here
Omg lol, thank you for your service
Oh I get it now, the way I framed it makes me sound like a sucky centrist. Which is the reason it got such a reaction.
Well don't worry, actually I've transcended politics. You're welcome
If you really believe this you're an idiot
Thanks!
I thought it was funny.
I also wasn't sure you were joking at first.
Its very funny, its probably the most engagement ive ever had in almost 2k posts on Lemmy. I wasnt even serious and it wasnt even that funny of a joke. I actually edited it to make it seem less like a centrist comment, but apparently somewhat missed the mark. Appreciate all the comments though! Cheered me up during a stupid, exhausting, busy day of work
Can you use our emojis when you post here?
you could try adding some thing like
Sorry for being aggressive lol, I was having a bad day at work
Am I able to use them? That would be awesome, it was my fav thing about your instance, I miss it.
I kinda forget how to use them though, its been like 2 years.
But you're good I had a long, frustrating day too
I use them by typing : and then keywords and it pulls up emotes, not sure if that works cross instance
Doesn't seem to work. Thanks any way!