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Republicans have stolen every presidential election they've won since 2000. There haven't been consequences yet, and the future won't be any different unless we stand up.
They tried damn hard to steal the ones they lost as well, and know that because of the last year they may not get voted for, for another couple decades. They know they can't win, so they are abandoning democracy.
Despite the rampant doomerism in Lemmy and other spaces, it's still very hard to subvert the entire US electoral process, even if they put a lot of money and effort behind it, it's not like other countries that have been overthrown or had their voting rigged, the administration would need to do whatever they're going to do 50 times, across a vast landscape of different procedures and policies around voting and security.
For example, if it was that easy to rig US elections we wouldn't have seen giant bogeymen like Mamdani and Katie Wilson and other socialists/progressives take so many local leadership seats recently.
Yes, they are going to try to use ICE like their own private mercenary army to intimate voters in blue states, in areas with large populations of immigrants and people of color, that should be expected. And that's fine, that's where we meet them.
Yes, but also I’m not convinced they haven’t done so by voter suppression. I’ve seen a lot fewer articles on that and that may not be part of voter fraud invests. There continue to be way too many attempts to suppress votes. How do you even count how many votes didn’t happen?
And it only needs to happen in swing states. You combine that with gerrymandering and it doesn’t have to prevent many voters to make a difference
Exactly. Look back at the Jim Crow era. That's the goal. Jim Crow didn't work by white people stealing the vote. It worked by writing laws that openly made it so black people couldn't vote. Ultimately it's a lot more sustainable to simply write laws that serve your side than it is to try to hold onto power by repeated election fraud. With the latter, you ultimately have to worry about the military just refusing to acknowledge clearly fraudulent elections. But if the elections are crooked but entirely within the law? Much more difficult for the military to refuse to acknowledge those.
You put too much faith in the military not being full of fascist sycophants and those going along to get along.
I strongly feel this time around it's going to be a bigger spectacle, a bigger event all around because the tone has shifted. Watch nightly network news for an example. If you can choke through the liberal slop, they are featuring stories now about ICE acting like terrorists, about the administration lying, about people driving masked agents out of their town, they are painting it like an "underdogs versus the feds" narrative. (Not because the networks are suddenly finding human consciousness, but because this storyline sells.)
Midterms may go either way, but we've had too much success either way to discount the power of individual states in changing their representation, and with that, their votes and funding. That's a huge deal. We just need to break the stranglehold a little and the system could stalemate for the next couple years and that's enough time for people who aren't Vance or Harris to start capturing media attention.