In short
I got a reply from a prolific anti-vegan troll and referred them back to an earlier conversation we had. Got banned for "harassment" and "following someone around" when in fact they replied to me and keep following vegans around when they post against anti-vegan propaganda.
The 14-day ban and comment removals by @aeronmelon@lemmy.world: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111
And the posts in question:
The comments when I posted them rendered as
Oh hey its you
The link is to a discussion which expanded is this here (The link goes to the comment with the highlighted star):
With background
The person in question is a very dedicated anti-vegan troll who is known to make non-sequitur claims as replies to vegans, in the hopes of roping then into a defensive position under the guise of "debate".
To exemplify this I engaged with them a couple months ago and got a perfect showcase of their behaviour. I had never used this and have never replied to them since then (at least I don't remember that I have and searching didn't turn anything up). But then when they replied to me yesterday I did. And got promptly banned for "harassment" and "following someone around". I messaged the mod who banned me to no reply.
Their behaviour is being enabled by lemmy.world mods like @aeronmelon@lemmy.world who will readily delete comments made by vegans should they dare step a foot outside of the norms of "civilized debate", like e.g. in the same thread (1) and (2). The petulant and incessant trolling by them is of course never subject to such moderation actions.
To any vegan comrades, do not engage this troll, you risk getting banned and your comments deleted.
Apparently I used wrong account to post this. Will have to switch accounts to my blahaj account on occasion to reply to comments, apologies.
That was in direct reply to "Which is probably why no one cares about outspoken vegans". This is a classic blindspot for many nonvegans where the ridicule and rude dismissal of vegans is so normalized it doesn't track as offensive.
Imagine someone saying "that's why no one cares about outspoken anti-trump activists", I think a clapback along the lines of "oh no why won't the fascists like me 😢" would read quite differently to other antifascists than to the fascists who would certainly see it as the replier provoking and not the other way around.
And no, my point isn't to "win" a debate, which is why I rarely engage in debating behavior. I want to push back against popaganda, to make vegan voices heard and to not leave carnist propaganda unchallenged.
So insulting a entire demographic of people is fine so long as one of them offended you first? That is why your coming off as combative.
As someone who wants to talk about the benefits of a zero carb diet (carnivore), I've been called many nasty things along these lines... they are rhetorical tools used in anger when argument arent available (either due to emotion or attempting to "win")
Great, I invite you to make a post in !carnivore@discuss.online to educate us on our propaganda problems (as long as you can engage in polite productive discussions suitable for a work environment)
What about insulting an entire demographic without even being prompted? That's the double standard I am talking about here. That somehow always goes unmentioned, unchallenged unless a vegan responds in kind.
Thats the point to these "insults", to push back against this language in a way that won't have us limited by "rational, civilized" discourse while the antivegans are allowed to run roughshod with insults and jokes about us. It is an uneven playfield and the rules work against us, so I won't play by them. An added bonus is of course that the "shocked and appalled" reactions give great opportunity to show the inherent antivegan bias in standard discourse like I am doing now or you can witness in the comment chain directly below said comment.
There is a reason to the madness and it's not just for self-gratification 😄
Eye for an eye leaves the world blind.
There are 75, SEVENTY FIVE, vegan communities on lemmy last I checked, there is no lack of representation.
Right, so you just want to fight, and break community rules and that is why the ban is YDI.
Look at the standard lemmy feed or comment section and tell me that there is vegan overpresentation. There is much higher vegan representation on lemmy than usual which is probably why it seems like there is, but the standard jokes and insults still get played out to a regular degree.
Not what I said. I want to (among other things) point out the inherent antivegan bias in standard discourse and one tool to demonstrate it is returning some of the language directed at us. I am not looking for a fight for the sake of fighting (edit: and would say I'm not the one instigating it) and I have no intention of breaking community rules. Furthermore none of this adds up to stalker behavior, the main allegation against me.
I would like to point out you have been joking and insulting me in your other comments(not responding to me directly), yet I don't reciprocate.
Honestly, I feel this. Zero Carb gets the SAD people, the Omnivores, and the pbf people taking shots at you... So i understand what its like to have a niche opinion that gets immediately criticized.
wrong acc again