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Pull the studs out too. We have no choice but to make a new foundation.
Amerifat here. We could use some light restructuring. Some newer democracies have features I think are improvements that could benefit us if deployed here. But the fundamental structure isn't that bad, and I'm worried we'll just get something worse if we try a full rebuild.
Sorry but the fundamental of that nation were BUILT on yay for me nay for you.
Good News: The UK looks like it has finally broken the two party system.
Bad News: The new party is run by an even worse grifter who has his tongue up Trump's arsehole.
You can't fix a democracy back into being democratic. For example neither of the two parties would allow fixing the issues causing a two party system.
If you need some kind of revolution event to fix the smallest things, you're better off doing it in one go.
The careful consideration can be expressed by not going too far from the most modern successful democracies.
Changes loosely are:
probably more I'm forgetting
Removal of the presidency as a dictatorial office, and replacement with a 9 member democratically elected council
The foundations are settler colonialism and racism. Like you said, there are other democracies to look at we don't need this blueprint.
Ive seen this kind of sentiment around (referring primarily to your initial comment on the OP about making a new foundation, but replying to this one because I wanted to have the context it adds with it). Its a sentiment that sounds appealing ("this thing is hurting us, therefore me must destroy it/replace it" is a fairly cathartic notion after all). The problem I have with it is: the analogy doesn't actually fit. Government and economic systems simply aren't buildings. They dont have foundations in that sense, and the things metaphorically referred to as "foundations" do not have the same function and consequences as the real thing.
Take your examples. If you were to remove racism from the country overnight, say you somehow both make individual bigoted people all understand that their perceived enemies are people just living their lives, and adjusted the outcomes of various systems to remove systemic racist outcomes that can exist even without personal malice- that wouldn't suddenly cause the government to collapse. It'd probably change who exactly gets elected and some of the laws for the better, but while racism has shaped the history of the United States, it doesn't logically require racism continue to shape it in order to prevent calamity of some kind.
Settler colonialism has a stronger claim to being "foundational" in that the concept describes the process by which the country came to be- but there we have a different problem when one contemplates the consequences of removing it: it simply can't be removed. Not because of some negative consequence, but simply became there is no way to undo what it results in. Numerous people were killed, and they and their would-have-been descendants cant be simply brought back. Hundreds of millions of people that have an entirely different culture to what would have been now exist, some of those cultures unique to the area despite not being indigenous to it, and it would be logistically impossible to send them anywhere else. The surviving indigenous people can be given some kind of reparation, and the poverty forced on them can be alleviated, but realistically it cant be nearly proportionate to what those groups lost. Unless one has a time machine somehow, whatever the US becomes, even if it was entirely destroyed and built anew, it can never be a society that doesn't owe it's existence to a settler colonial enterprise, any more than one can change who ones parents were.
This isn't an argument against radical change, and I know its rant-y and pedantic, but I see the sentiment of "tear it all down" so often, and think that's just too vague. It sounds dramatic and radical, but leaves the question of what it means too open. Does it mean "replace all the major government figures"? Probably not, that happens anyway given enough time, without radical changes necessarily occuring. Does it mean doing that, but also changing the mechanism by which those leaders are picked, and maybe also something like the economic model or ownership structure of various institutions? Maybe, though still, apart from the people at the top, a lot of what you'll get will still be the same. You're going to need bureaucrats and lawyers and teachers and auditors and soldiers and whatever, or some broadly equivalent roles, no matter how you organize your society, and since the people doing that now are the ones that know how, they'll probably end up doing the same things under the new order (which could make some cultural problems, like racism for instance, very hard to root out. A biased teacher isn't going to stop being biased just cause you changed their boss and the laws, for example). Maybe you conclude that that's not enough, and that one has to change all the laws and ownership structures and bar everyone that participated in administering the old system, even on a local level, from an equivalent role in the new. But that has a rather disastrous history; you end up with a huge number of new and not yet competent civil servants, and a class of people that cannot easily make a living because they are barred from using the skills they actually have, that can turn to crime or reactionary militant groups.
This probably comes off as ranting at you in particular, I'm sorry about that, I just can't reply to an entire general sentiment as that's not how the platform works, and I'm sure Im guilty of saying these things too. But I feel like too many calls to action don't really specify what specific action they call for, just analogies and notions of "there's something about our society that's hurting us, we must destroy", or "we need to do something about [monolithic problem], or "organize" (which sounds like a specific action, except half the time people say it they dont really specify who with or how to do it effectively or what the organization should do once formed, and it's not realistic to assume those things come naturally to the inexperienced), and I feel like they'd make for more effective tools of political discourse if they did advocate for unambiguous courses of action rather than just the vague result one wants that action to achieve.
Full agreement, and I think the "tear it down" narrative often impedes thinking of actual feasible ways that we can work to find more equitable paths forward. Landback is a great movement because rather than saying "kick white people out of North America" it says "there's a lot of land that we can give back to the people we stole it from without drastic consequences to us, we should be doing that".
I'm a huge supporter of working to give tribes further sovereignty and means to enforce it beyond treaties with the countries that keep breaking treaties with them. Now obviously we need to be prioritizing the wants and needs of individual tribes and nations, but those that wish to be treated as sovereign nations on the world stage should be. Hell, the Navajo Nation wants to be in the UN, and that's a completely reasonable ask that you can advocate for even if you aren't in a settler colonial nation.
There are more radical ideas as well, but there are realistic and achievable goals, that we'd be doing a lot more good by advocating for than just virtue signaling about how all this land is stolen and leaving it at that. Also free all indigenous political prisoners and treat the crisis of missing and murdered indigenous women as the crisis it is.
The foundations are the laws in place and most importantly, the Constitution. That itself is a deeply flawed document that could use a rewrite.
The institutions that perpetuate law in this country are physical buildings, occupied by actual people. It is very much physical as it is metaphysical.
The chance of making things worse is always a risk, but like the original American Revolutionaries, at some point, we have to bite the fucking bullet and make the gamble, because the status quo doesn't seem to be heading anywhere good.
The American Revolution was largely a counter-revolution by colonial elites. It preserved existing property relations, entrenched slavery, restricted suffrage and replaced a distant crown with local ruling classes.
I'm not sure that's something to favorably compare to unless you're intent on historical revisionism.
You tankies are utterly beyond parody.
You can cry "tankie" all you want, but you can't refute any of it. It was a "revolution" led by slave owners who didn't want to pay taxes.
That doesn't make it a counter-revolution. Marx literally cites it as the example of a bourgeois revolution necessary for the development of a strong proletariat preceding a workers' revolution. Not to mention the issue was taxation without representation, not taxation itself, as both the States and the Federal government would impose numerous taxes of their own more or less immediately.
Much more nuanced than expected. Okay, yes, the American revolution was a bourgeois revolution, and historically progressive in the sense that it unshackled the forces of production compared to continued British rule. It was still far less progressive and far less admirable than the French revolution, though.
Diva was incorrect in claiming that it was a counterrevolution, since there was no preceding revolution to react against, but the rest is all perfectly accurate.
I'm an anarchist tyvm
Ah, yes, the anarchist position of vigorously bootlicking Russian genocide and imperialism. I keep forgetting that you're an 'anarchist,' probably because of the boot lodged down your throat, which I generally don't associate with anarchism. It must be a new strain.
Anything to get off to your favorite genocides, right? Of course, you have to play at Uyghur genocide apologia too. But hey, what's an anarchist without a little simping for [checks notes] the PRC having PEOPLE'S billionaires?
Not only is that a caricature that doesn't represent my position or opinions, it's whataboutism. The topic was how our government has always been a bourgeois dictatorship created by slaveowners. It's no wonder that a pedophile cabal ended up influential in such a government.
I believe this is you, fascist.
I just noted that tankie bootlickers like you are beyond parody. You were the one who objected to the label of tankie, all I've done is back up the point you disputed.
I'm an anarchist, I organize with anarchists irl, like multiple days out of my week, every week. Just because a turbo liberal who can't stop bootlicking american/roman empire doesn't like my opinions doesn't make me anything else.
lmao, a literal whataboutism in response to your literal genocide denial being shown. Hypocrisy inside of two comments, impressive even for a tankie.
Have fun playing "Sieg Heil!" games with your favorite Nazis, red fash.
You are the one who hangs out with nazis and does pro-fash historical revisionism on a regular basis
just gonna restate my original point one more time:
Also it's not whataboutism to say that I'm not concerned what toxic liberals think of me.
lmao, sorry that you think people who are against genocide denialism of the sort that you literally and explicitly espoused in the above screenshot are "Nazis", I understand it's in-line with the usual regurgitated Russian propaganda point wherein anyone who isn't bootlicking for Russian imperialist interests is a Nazi, regardless of whether they're leftist, pluralist, internationalist, or all three.
But hey, if you didn't have whataboutism and false accusations, you might have to actually address the fact that I demonstrated your genocide denial and bootlicking for Russian imperialism by your own, publicly recorded words. :)
Yeah, we get it, you're risible and don't understand what a revolution or counter-revolution is. Belaboring the point is just pathetic, like a comedian past their prime.
I identify the people you hang out with as Nazis because they're always either both-sidesing the genocide in gaza or ranting about wanting to be free from degenerates.
You seem incapable of criticism of America, because you have nothing in your life besides confidently regurgitating propaganda
lmao
Also lmao
Literally in this very comment section advocated/agreed with tearing the US down and replacing even the foundations. Even the most basic and obvious truth is so inconvenient to fascists, though, I know. Lies are so much easier and more useful to your pro-genocide agenda.
Also still no response to the actual points made, predictably. Without whataboutism and blatant, Trump-level projection, you'd have nothing except the boot. Which, as much as you love it, clearly is not enough. :)
You also were glorifying the genocidal slaveowners for rebelling from the crown when it looked like their gravy train might be ending, which is why I commented.
You never met a state department narrative you never swallowed whole, even if it came from the Trump state department. In 2003 you probably would have been in favor of invading iraq.
You are a campist for the first world, which is why you are incapable of tolerating criticism of it.
I have plenty of criticism for both 'camps'. I live in the US so for me criticism of the genocidal regime which purports to represent me generally takes higher priority.
lmao
Oh, is THAT why you're an outright and explicit apologist for genocide and imperialism?
not hearing any disagreements. Death to America.
Literally already pointed out a contradiction to your claim in this very thread, made by me even before we started talking. But literacy isn't a strong point of fascists, I know.
Sorry that you're upset that I quoted your genocide apologia, which you have continued failed to refute. Sorry that you can't quote genocide apologia from me, considering I don't fucking engage in genocide apologia, because I'm not bootlicking fascist scum.