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So we've gone up from 4th Amendment violations to the 5th Amendment. Soon it'll be 6th, and the 13th is a little shaky.

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[–] saimen@feddit.org 76 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You're constitution is worthless when you have an executive branch that doesn't care about it while having an overly loyal majority support of the legislative and judicative branch.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

It was been by rich white men for rich white men.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It also takes complicity from the "opposition" party. Even with the loyalty of the legislative and judicial branch their actions should be moderated by the balancing quality in the Democratic process of "turn around is fair play".

Meaning that you don't want to do anything that gives grounds for your opposition to copy if they were to get into power. The problem being that the DNC has shown itself to not have a spine, equating tit for tat politics as beneath their dignity.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

fuck right off.

There's room for real discussion of the democrat's failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.

I get what you're trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We're still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.

There is no third party that's going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we're still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you're not helping.

If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn't be happening. They don't. They hold some culpability for that, but they're not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 10 points 23 hours ago

There's room for real discussion of the democrat's failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.

Over two decades of thirdway politics has no complicity in creating the situation we find ourselves in?

get what you're trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We're still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.

Ohh yeah.... Because one valid complaint is constant vitriol? You can fight that strawman instead of making a valid rebuttal if you want to.

The house willing to vote to fund ice is surely a sign of fighting fascist.

There is no third party that's going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we're still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you're not helping.

When did I say anything about voting for a third party? Who are you arguing with?

Making valid criticism against any party is important... Most importantly your own. The DNC isn't going to move away from thirdway centrism unless they hear from it from their own voters.

If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn't be happening.

If dems supported progressive candidates instead of centerist they wouldn't have lost the supreme court or the legislative branch...

They hold some culpability for that, but they're not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.

Did I say they hold all the culpability...or are you just arguing against another strawman of your own making again?

Thirdway politics is the reason the Republican party feels emboldened enough to be fascist in the first place. When the common people can't differentiate between the two parties because both sides are just looking out for the top tax bracket then they are going to only care about punishing scapegoats.

[–] FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 23 hours ago

Why are you apologizing for them? They've dropped the ball in too many ways to list.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

200 NGOs Oppose Biden’s Historic Expansion of ICE Detention System: "Detention should not be about politics."

ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations

President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs

Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress

Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama

Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.

Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge or the dems had SCOTUS, but if she were, she'd be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.

The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.

You realize what the only logical conclusion to your "pragmatic liberal utilitarianism" is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

They were working for the people because the people (who voted for Trump) wanted immigration enforcement.

They were representing their people, maybe foolishly. They were making sure there was no valid reason to vote for Trump, thinking that the vote would go logically.

Instead the vote went to propaganda and memes.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 7 points 22 hours ago

So to you "immigration enforcement" is a valid reason?

This is basically hating Hitler, not because the whole genocide thing, but because he was so undemocratic.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago

There's room for real discussion of the democrat's failings.

Why say this when you're going to spend the rest of the comment making it crystal clear that you think the opposite?

It's the "I'm not racist, but" of party apologists.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Somehow a less than perfect opponent deserves the same amount of vitriol and discussion as outright fascists.

Imagine thinking it's that black and white. And Lemmy is swarming with those dumbass takes.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 9 hours ago

They can't win, so that negates every god damned point you make.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago

We know that now