I think you underestimate the term "improvement". Lossing two fingers instead of three is an improvement. 8inches from the ledge is better than 4inches from the ledge even if either measure isn't even one whole step. If in never going to see best then I'll take any better I can get.

[–] autriyo@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but any invasion probably pushes half of the country over the edge before the war would be over.

I wouldn't wanna risk death and destruction for a mere potential 4" further from the edge.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My dude, you're on a federated platform. You don't think you're going to dodge being lumped in with all the political dissidents and "terrorists" when they run out of trans kids to gas? It's literally a death risk either way, this way just means you get to watch tv until they get you.

[–] autriyo@feddit.org -2 points 2 days ago

I'm one of the trans ~~kids~~ adults, I'd be fucked anyways. Just wanted to illustrate that being invaded, if you welcome it or not, is usually a pretty rough affair.

War is brutal, I don't know if I would be willing to suffer through one, just for stuff to be slightly better afterwards, maybe. Provided I had the choice in the first place ofc.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today -5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

A permanently better world is possible so why settle for a temporary better situation with little hope for further improvement? Why insist people have to lose fingers when no one losing fingers is achievable and not at all far fetched?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

China is still making rapid progress and hasn't slowed down in that respect, though. It isn't that they are following a temporary solution, it's that they are developing towards that better world, and building that better world takes time and effort. There's no such thing as a static system.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Unless you're creating an instant utopia you should not change to the status quo"

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What part of creating a mixed capitalist society run by an authoritarian regime leads to an utopia on any time frame? Spell it out for me because history suggests it will end poorly.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

China is a socialist market economy, not capitalist. It's also run by the working classes in democratic fashion. The large firms and key industries in China are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, and as the small and medium firms grow they are folded more into the public sphere of influence. The basis of communism is in large scale industry, not in small manufacturing, so it doesn't necessarily make the most sense to socialize small firms.

As time continues and the productive forces develop, these become economically compelled towards socialization, which is expedited by having a socialist economy where public ownership is principle. These are all basic Marxist observations about production and distribution.

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Because they're moving there? No one said there should be no more progress?

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's like insinuating that I refuse to lose weight because I can't lose 60lbs today. I'm literally saying I will take any movement what so ever if it means movement.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's more like offering someone a weight loss pill that will work for a couple months and then make you gain more weight than you started with.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Sold. We just have to switch to a different pill before that two months is up. Literally 1% better is still better.