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[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's still more healthy especially if you consider this isn't happening in the void, as consequences of chaos dealing with AI is mass murder and consequense of Imperium total ban on AI is servitorisation which is one of the worst horrors in entire 40k.

I agree about the imperium, I've said that chaos' is arguable but one of the ultimate products of the Ironkyn existence is also mass murder; they are (on the whole labour units also exist)soldiers/killing machines, but that at least the T'au relationship to AI is healthier even when taking into consideration the wider effects that approach has on the culture

souls of Kyn are supposedly "weak" as are Tau souls but if we goes by this logic Necrontyr would have even weaker because they didn't had psykers at all, yet C'tan felt it tasty enough to go to a great lenght to eat them

How does the relative strength of souls relate to the AI conversation? a soul is a soul weak or not

Proteus Protocol transfer of soul is confirmed in Eisenhorn novels, Pontius Glaw retains his after using it. If you talk about Kyn, you seem to be very sure that "speculation" isn't true despite parallels existing.

Ah didn't know that, if you could post an excerpt that'd be great but I' do your word for it, but yes parallels do not make me think the same soul transference is true for LoV uploading especially since the protocol isn't from an STC which is where most of the shared Kin/Imperium tech comes from, and it is likely but not confirmed that the LoV uploading tech came from an STC schematic already included in the cores

My point is that LoV avoided Men of Iron rebellion, which would point to two facts - their relationships with MoI were more healthy and that Ironkyn are Men of Iron, just most possibly as much changed from the basic version as Kyn themselves are changed from basic humanity.

For 'their relationships with MoI were more healthy' more than who's specifically did you mean here?

I disagree with the 'that Ironkyn are Men of Iron' conclusion you make, the fact that they didn't fight during the MoI rebellion doesn't prove they are the same, Ironkyn attacking baseline human during the rebellion might be, and their isolation can explain not being involved on that conflict. I believe the theories that the Votann are the Men of Stone more likely

For 'just most possibly as much changed from the basic version as Kyn themselves are changed from basic humanity.' that's a pedantic argument it can be argued both ways if Abhumans are humans or not, on one hand they are objectively different, or that on the other they same as one because one is the origin of the other

This was not my point, i pointed to chaos not having need to create true AI at all.

They have as much need as other factions to use it; to create weapons

Half of Mechanicum didn't joined Horus because AI ban, again there was one AI on Mars then and barely anyone even know about it.

I didn't say it was the sole reason rather that it(the ban on AI research) along with other reasons like the other bans such as on warp tech and on innovation in general were the trason and Kel-Helbor and his faction joining Horus

If you don't see that Votann and Ironkyn are better than mass servitorisation or putting demons in things in order to kill more people then we truly don't have anything to talk about, so please disengage if that's the case.

Again I never said its worse, you're conflating the very isolated point about the healthiness of relationship to AI with the greater cultures and its affect on them. to succinctly restate my point I think that the LoV worship of Ai is less healthy than the T'au's utilisation of AI