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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?

They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately it’s not a position only MAGA takes. Horse shoe theory is real. There are extreme lefties who hate NATO and EU so much that they rather see the west fall completely apart and fall into chaos, since they think they will come on top when we crawl from underneath the rubble.

[–] Koarnine@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right but is that 'horse shoe theory' because it just sounds like there are multiple reasons to support things.

Horse shoe theory is nonsense.

I dislike NATO since its a US protection racket and I dislike EU because they're forcing chat control and cowtowing to the US.

I dont want the 'west to fall', I want to be free and sovereign from the US' war machine.

I don't believe we'll naturally rise above if things collapse, but I do believe we'll be dead before too long if the US continues forward with its acts.

Being pincered by Russia on the east and the US on the west is a pretty terrifying concept - if only China would save us.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah we need to change things from within rather than burn it down to the ground and hope for some foreign savior who will probably act in it's own interest. Like the reason why the EU wants to turn itself slowly into a police state is only because the people have been voting for lib-right and Christian democrats for the last 30 years or so. If we had center left and left wing parties in power for that period instead the EU would have looked a lot different today. Change is still possible.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?

They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.

They have been convinced that the entire world is somehow abusing the poor widdle usa.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The biggest psyop ever is Americans believing uncritically that they are the “freest”. Free to go into medical debt, free to have no access to healthcare, free to have 800,000 unhoused people, free to have entire towns of meth heads, free for kids to get shot up in school, free to be unhinged racist, homophobic and transphobic pieces of shit, free to disappear their own citizens, free to have a population that’s statistically morbidly obese, free to be mostly illiterate, free to have massive wealth inequality, free to never have dental care, free to elect a reality tv show host with dementia as their leader - twice 🤡