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I wake up… its another half assed starcraft clone looking for an esports playerbase (stormgate)
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Why does nobody know how to make an rts? Why is it always starcraft over and over and over. Why not make a total annihilation clone? A company of heroes clone? An age of empires or empire earth clone? Command and conquer? No. The rts gamers yearn for ranked ladder. We must espurt again it’ll definitely work this time.
SHUT UP ABOUT BLIZZARD SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP THEIR GAMES ARE SHIT SHUTUP SHUTTUUUPPPP 
RTS is by far my most favourite genre and dawn of war was absolute crack for me how is nobody able to make 1 good release?
Halo wars 2 is an unsung diamond its campaign is better than mainline halo
Dont even bother arguing with people like this they exist in a world where they moralise ranked queue and think the only purpose to gaming is to be better than someone else. Rts has always been a casual genre the esport scene killed it entirely its why sc2 doesn’t have any players left.
Balanced apm dependant ranked rts gameplay is shit and always will be shit. The best features of sc2 were the campaign, coop, archon mode, custom content. Apm ladder hogs are niche and i dont want them in my genre
I do want to give them the benefit of the doubt, though that could be why I was failing to understand them.
I hope that isn't their position, it's such a hollow way to look at things, to need to "win" rather than have fun and enjoy yourself. I used examples from some of my fondest moments in RTS games, because I can clearly remember an AoE2 match I played with a friend 20 years ago, but I can't remember the hundreds of hours I spent grinding to get diamond league in SC2. And I would wager that if you asked people on the street which experience they'd rather have, 99% would prefer the "fun game with a friend" rather than the "hundreds of hours of slog that blur together so you can get a meaningless title in a video game instead of doing something worthwhile with your time." But I guess thinking like that would make me a filthy casual or something.
Oh and some of the most fun i had in sc2 seared into my memory was actually archon mode ladder. Because i didnt care for apm since im disabled it was actually super fun me being the base builder and my friend doing army management micro it was some of the best rts gaming ive had in my life.
I have a rather sordid history arguing with fighting game player types who try to apply their single digit player number logic to every single game so personally I dont bother. The second fighting games was mentioned i knew exactly where the conversation was heading.
Aoe2 but its arcade mode and ranked ladder
Yeah, me too. The conversation always goes the same way, they complain about their single digit player base for their game and wish there were more players, but are outraged at the idea of fighting games that are more enjoyable or accessible, insisting that new players should just play hundreds of losing matches over and over until they finally git gud enough to be accepted by the community, and they refuse to consider that this elitist attitude is why so few people are interested in picking up their favourite fighting game. Reminds me a lot of the boomer mentality of "We can't improve things, because I suffered in my youth, so the kids these days also need to suffer like I did" except applied to a game.
That and I find them to be massively ableist. Its why halo wars 2 is my favourite recent rts because first and foremost it has controller support. Secondly the developers made some of the best skirmish ai to exist where isnt of the usual cheating bots depending on difficulty they would adopt better strategies and even simulate micro so I could learn without being intimidated and tweak to the level im comfortable.
There really is an undercurrent (and sometimes just a current) of ableism in that kind of attitude, isn't there? I never really thought about it beyond it being "elitist" but it is also ableist as fuck, it isn't just people without endless free time that they dismiss out of hand.
And I never played Halo Wars 2, I played the first one on the 360 though, a shame more RTS games don't try for controller support, most RTS don't have that many hotkeys (or at least ones that can't be remapped) that a keyboard is completely necessary. I might check out HW2 if it has good skirmish AI, always frustrating when they don't bother to program interesting AI and just have it cheat. It doesn't even help the ladder climbers practice that way, since playing the AI is so different to a non-cheating human.
Microsoft never released it on steam so its a windows store exclusive. Its such a shame i feel like a steam release would revive that game, creative assembly just has so much talent