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The issue of unidentified masked men being emboldened to violently kidnap and disappear people off the street? You're really gonna pretend this incident would have happened under Biden or Harris? That's beyond absurd.
And as I asked you already, so what? Why is the raw number of deportations the gotcha? Do you not understand that isn't at all what people are complaining about?
Because that is exactly the point I'm trying to make. At least 26 people have died in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody during the Biden administration. This figure includes 12 deaths recorded in fiscal year 2024 alone, which was the deadliest year under his presidency. The number of deaths has increased significantly in recent years, with the first three years of Biden’s administration seeing no more than four deaths per year, but a sharp rise to 12 in 2024. Despite this, the overall death rate per detainee is lower due to the record-high number of immigrants currently detained.
AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.
Prove it. And we're still waiting for you to prove your original claim too.
Are you ever going to provide any real evidence? Or are you just openly admitting you don't have any and you just believe whatever article comes up in a Google search, or whatever the hallucination machine spits out?
You also haven't answered my question, so I'm going to make it simpler for you.
What you're saying is that if under Trump, 100 illegals came in, and he violently deported 800 people by pulling them out of their cars, that's better than if under Biden 1000 illegals came in and he turned 900 of them away at the border.
Why do you believe that you be true?
Well, if I can't prove it to you with charts, articles, AI responses, and Google searches, what else could I do? I would've liked to provide you with the data from ICE themselves, but I can't make them release the data going back to 2003, or even 2025.
Why are you pretending you've provided any charts? I've been hounding you for data and you haven't produced any. Give me some charts!
Which is another way of saying that you're spreading baseless claims. Why are you doing that?
Also why are you refusing to answer the question? Why is a higher number of deportations inherently worse?
Did I link those articles, the charts, and the AI answer to someone else?
Maybe? You haven't linked me a single set of data apart from the ICE data that only covers Biden years.
But again, I can just grant you that Biden's deportation numbers were higher. Let's assume it's true.
Can you answer the question please?
What you’re saying is that if under Trump, 100 illegals came in, and he violently deported 800 people by pulling them out of their cars, that’s better than if under Biden 1000 illegals came in and he turned 900 of them away at the border.
Why do you believe that you be true?
That's not the argument though. If under Trump, he deported 800 immigrants, biden/Obama deported 1200. And if 50 died in ICE custody under Trump, 20 would die under Biden.
I'll start with the simple one:
Sounds like we agree that Trump is worse in that category, then.
We can use those numbers if you like:
What you’re saying is that if under Trump, 100 illegals came in, and he violently deported 800 people by pulling them out of their cars, that’s better than if under Biden 1000 illegals came in and he turned 900 of them away at the border, and sent another 300 back who had lived in the US for a year.
Why do you believe that you be true?
Feel like we're long past getting anything out of this conversation. So as other instances like to say, I disengage.
Really? Are you not at all ashamed of yourself here? Just gonna keep on spreading blatantly baseless claims?
To recap:
And then despite all that, even when I just granted you that everything you say is true and gave you the ultimate out, you still can't explain why higher number = bad.
Anyone with an ounce of decency would have taken the L and admitted they were wrong ages ago. I'm baffled by what motivates you to just gaslight and pivot like this.
Disengage indeed. You never should have engaged in the first place if you are truly too incompetent to even read your own sources.
Please grow a spine.
Now I’m just simple country folk but this is different than the picture you paint.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline#%3A%7E%3Atext=Thirty-two+people+died+in%2Cthe+US+recently%2C+seeking+asylum.
I never said there more deaths under Biden, just that there were more than 0, also with data that shows his peak was in 24, like it does in your graph.
Biden was president in 2025?
No, I said 24, and it was HIS peak.
Biden's peak being quite a bit lower then Trump 1 or Trump 2 (so far?)
Never claimed Biden’s death rates were higher, just that it was more than 0 and that 24 was his peak. I did say the deportations were higher for Biden and Obama though. Though I'm now seeing that there isn't actual data for year 2025, just speculations.
I sent you actual data.