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[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Who would have thought that it would backfire... /s

These imbecile law makers are now doubling down, because it would be the end of their careers if they admitted what a fucking failure this is.

Now they want to check ages for using VPNs, which is obviously another idiotic thing to do, and would lead to more idiotic laws, until the UK is more restricted than China.

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 days ago

"backfire"? It's working exactly as intended. Does nothing for the children but the nanny/nazi state foundation is getting stronger.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Now they want to check ages for using VPNs, which is obviously another idiotic thing to do, and would lead to more idiotic laws, until the UK is more restricted than China.

Even in a world where one assumes that they do this


which the present British government has stated that they are not


and it is successful and enforce it, then the next problem will be stuff like Tor. No commercial providers involved, so they can't lean on payment processors. Now the British ISPs need to be compelled to try and detect that


and one can make Tor a lot harder to detect than it presently is, where people just don't care that much


and block it. Let's imagine that Parliament successfully gets Britain's telecom infrastructure modified and manages to fix all this and enforce it.

If you've got OpenSSH on your computer, any Linux box out there


which could be a cheap VPS, say


running SSH is pretty easy to turn into an exit node for a SOCKS5 proxy:

$ ssh -D 1080 <remote host>

Now your local host has a SOCKS5 proxy listening on 127.0.0.1. Tell your browser to use localhost as a SOCKS5 proxy, and all your browser traffic is magically coming from Country X. This Firefox plugin allows toggling use of a proxy on and off by clicking a button in the toolbar, so you can bip on and off as desired.

Okay, now maybe they manage to make it illegal for Britons to obtain access to SSH-capable servers elsewhere in the world.

Then people head over to fully-darknet stuff like Hyphanet. So then you're down to trying to tamp down on a darknet system that, unlike Tor, is already structured to be resistant to state-level censorship that might involve detecting and blocking traffic.

I mean, we can play this game forever, but the practical point here is that there are fundamental, really hard enforceability issues, if you want something beyond political theater. Yeah, okay, some of these things are going to take some technical knowledge, but if there's real demand to use them, it's also not hard for someone to slap a pretty front-end on up and make one-click solutions. Do you make all British Internet access systems trusted, closed, and state-controlled? Do you shift over to trying to punish (by definition, local) people who might view pornography rather than go after some source of pornography somewhere on the Internet outside of British legal jurisdiction? Like, you're talking about a very different world.

North Korea has some success in controlling the information environment that its citizens have access to, but that would involve such a transformation of Britain that I think that it's safe to say that few Britons, no matter how opposed they are to pornography, would likely welcome it, and even there, it's limited:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_North_Korea

North Korea forbids the possession, production, distribution and importation of pornography. This is punished harshly by the government. Nevertheless, pornography is widespread in the country because people secretly import it, or locally produce it.

In the past, pornographic videos were also made in North Korea.[1] They began to appear during the leadership of Kim Jong Il,[3] who himself reportedly had a significant collection of pornographic films.[5] Domestic titles were usually immediately seized by the authorities. North Korea has also exported pornography in an effort to gain hard currency. Some of these efforts were through North Korean websites.[6]

Watching pornography became widespread among the country's elites in the late 1990s. Thereafter, the practice has spread to other societal strata as well. Domestic pornographic works usually feature nude or bikini-wearing North Korean women dancing to music. The Literature and Art Publishing Company secretly published a pornographic book, Licentious Stories, for the use of party officials. In 2000, the Korean Central Broadcasting Committee also published a pornographic videotape for officials. Imported pornography has nowadays largely replaced domestic pornography. Political and army elites are the most active consumers of pornography. In 2007 renting a CD for one hour cost 2,000 North Korean won.[7] In 1995, a pornographic film could be sold for as much as 80 dollars. In recent years, prices have fallen dramatically due to increased supply,[8] with one Chinese smuggler stating he regularly hands out porn for free for customers who buy pirated K-dramas.[9]

South Korean pornographic films are smuggled into the country.[10] Propaganda balloons sent from South Korea to the North have featured sexually explicit material to appeal to North Korean soldiers, too.[11] Henry A. Crumpton, a veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency's Directorate of Operations, explains that he has "never met a North Korean diplomat who did not want porn, either for personal use or resale."[12]

The State Security Department is tasked with monitoring illegal imports of pornographic materials. Involvement in illegal import results in the culprit being shot or sent to a kyohwaso (re-education camp) for 10 to 15 years.[16] Executions of several persons accused of watching or distributing pornography took place in late 2013.[17] It is illegal for tourists to bring pornography into the country.[citation needed] Access to "sex and adult websites" on the Internet has been blocked from the country,[18] but in the past BitTorrent downloads of pornography have been detected, likely relating to foreigners residing in Pyongyang.[19] Likewise, North Koreans living near the border with China use mobile phones equipped with Chinese SIM cards to access Chinese porn sites.[20]