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LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL, you are ALL LIBERAL! NONE of you are free from LIBERALISM
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It feels like a false equivalence to compare liberal-in-name governments to socialist-in-name governments after the horrors that the USSR and CCP unleashed upon the world.
You are incorrect, the mass famines of the USSR and CCP were mostly caused by a single conman, named Trofim Lysenko, who was lying about agricultural techniques/results in order to keep his job (taking his bag like a true economic opportunist):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko#views
Here's a whole Behind The Bastards podcast about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t05d8MPzfvs
To that point, even the Gulag system whilst being a horrible and targeted system of political persecution, even there the vast majority of victims survived (1 million died in Gulags, 17 million survived). So you're adopting misinformation because you're coopted into Capitalism.
...this is the whole point The Frankfurt School "Cultural Marxists" (people like Marcuse and Adorno) were making. Capitalism is full of such pro-Capitalist propaganda, which Liberals believe without researching it.
Meanwhile almost all Colonialism, since the French Revolution, and the Free Market genocides of the Congo and bengal/india (aka The British East India Company) were done by Liberal minded Economic Capitalists... Intentionally killing WAY MORE PEOPLE with the Liberalism of their day (which turned the other cheek due to racism and sexism).
So I hate to break it to you, but Historical and Cultural versions of your Liberal Philosophies massacred and killed WAY MORE PEOPLE, and did so WAY MORE INTENTIONALLY, than the USSRs and CCPs unwanted famines combined.
But like every Liberal, you have to ignore solid facts of history in order to make your fake claims. You were willingly coopted back then, just like you're being right now. The only question is whether it's intentional or a product of ignorance.
I don't give a fuck who was responsible for the millions of deaths, the fact of the matter is it's very specific to one pervasive strain of government that keeps popping up, like a disease, and causing the same exact problem in the USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Syria, soon I fully expect to see it yet again in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Africa.
You shouldn't be defending them, rather you should be blaming them for tainting and poisoning the words Socialism and Communism and preventing the actual ideology from entering mainstream discussions.
What a beautiful example of how quickly a Liberal becomes Fascist.
Iran isn't Socialist. The Ba'ath Party in Syria are largely a product of US meddling in the middle east, a lot of which was done by - you guessed it - democratic Liberals coopted into helping the fascists perpetuating Capitalist greed!
Oh, I'm arguing wrong am I? Using too many facts.
Poor fool, you've assumed I'm a Socialist, merely because I have a grasp on history. Nope, I'm a modern progressive. But yeah keep pushing me left, you Liberal Fascists. Move to Hungry, go be buddies with Orban or Israel. Go hold the door open for right-populism some more. Let in as much Capitalist Fascism as people can stand. It's what you do best.
"Arab Nationalism and Arab Socialism was caused by the US" is a new one, I have to admit.
... you're literally already playing apologist for red fascist states with well-documented atrocities and genocides to their name.
I said the Ba'ath Party in modern Syria. But that shit was all founded post sykes pico anyways.
Correct attribution of causes has NOTHING to do with apologia. Which is why I've also corrected attributed the genocides and atrocities Liberal, Neo-Liberal and Economic Liberal Philosophies caused and contributed to.
That's not apoligia for them either. I'll say it again in case you missed it: Correct attribution is NOT apologia. It's quite correct to step away from things you disagree with, including when progressives step away from Liberals.
Do you... do you not know what Ba'athist parties stand for?
... what the fuck does Sykes-Picot have to do with the US?
So you admit, then, that attributing the genocides of the USSR and PRC, which included mass executions, ethnic cleansing, and targeted famines, to a little accident all caused by Lysenko was inaccurate?
I never denied famines or the gulag system, I specifically said the gulag system was a horrible system of political persecution.
If Gaza was suddenly powerful, youd see a horrible series of massacres against Israelis. After the french revolution you had a horrible series of executions and white terror.
Systems of Authoritarian oppression often occur after revolutions, during famines, or during times of instability. That's human nature in all systems.
What Lysenko did to perpetuate famines (to maintain his position) was in no way small. Now you're minimizing the undesired and unintended famines.
They were directed politically after the fact but neither China nor Russia wanted them. No government actively wants a famine... Yet you'll happily attribute it to these two governments in particular.
Are there other national famines you incorrectly think were desired by governments/ideologies?
...and I'm not talking about artificial shortages such as in Ireland, Bengal, or the concentration camps of the boer war... You know, Colonial famines.
"No government actively wants a famine... except for those non-red fascist states!"
Sorry that you believe that colonialism cannot be performed by an imperialist state with a long history of colonialism, if it has a coat of red paint. We - or rather, you - are done here.
This you?
This you?
So now we've moved on from "There weren't horrors and even if there were, it wasn't their fault" to "Everyone does it when stressed"
Wait, but if you're quoting them acknowledging it....
....then you claim they were saying "there weren't horrors".... isn't that a bit like trying to have your cake and eat it too? They were either denying it, or actively discussing it - and it doesn't look like they were denying it (just discussing the causes in a way you don't like).
Are you a Tankie?
In the same dubious way that 'acknowledging' there was 'unrest' at Tiananmen Square whilst blaming the protesters is acknowledging the Tiananmen Square massacre, fucking sure.
"It happened but it was just a little mistake by one man, no one involved really wanted it and they all tried to stop it!"
If someone said that about the Holocaust, would that be:
A. Denialism
OR
B. Not denialism?
Fucking forget it. One post here, and one test post on ML three months ago?