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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't give a fuck who was responsible

What a beautiful example of how quickly a Liberal becomes Fascist.

Iran

Iran isn't Socialist. The Ba'ath Party in Syria are largely a product of US meddling in the middle east, a lot of which was done by - you guessed it - democratic Liberals coopted into helping the fascists perpetuating Capitalist greed!

You shouldn't be defending them [Socialist Authoritarians], rather you should be blaming them for tainting and poisoning the words Socialism and Communism and preventing the actual ideology behind it from entering mainstream discussions.

Oh, I'm arguing wrong am I? Using too many facts.

Poor fool, you've assumed I'm a Socialist, merely because I have a grasp on history. Nope, I'm a modern progressive. But yeah keep pushing me left, you Liberal Fascists. Move to Hungry, go be buddies with Orban or Israel. Go hold the door open for right-populism some more. Let in as much Capitalist Fascism as people can stand. It's what you do best.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The Ba’ath Party in Syria are largely a product of US meddling in the middle east, a lot of which was done by - you guessed it - democratic Liberals coopted into helping the fascists perpetuating Capitalist greed!

"Arab Nationalism and Arab Socialism was caused by the US" is a new one, I have to admit.

But yeah keep pushing me left, you Liberal Fascists.

... you're literally already playing apologist for red fascist states with well-documented atrocities and genocides to their name.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I said the Ba'ath Party in modern Syria. But that shit was all founded post sykes pico anyways.

you're literally already playing apologist for red fascist states with well-documented atrocities and genocides to their name.

Correct attribution of causes has NOTHING to do with apologia. Which is why I've also corrected attributed the genocides and atrocities Liberal, Neo-Liberal and Economic Liberal Philosophies caused and contributed to.

That's not apoligia for them either. I'll say it again in case you missed it: Correct attribution is NOT apologia. It's quite correct to step away from things you disagree with, including when progressives step away from Liberals.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I said the Ba’ath Party in modern Syria.

Do you... do you not know what Ba'athist parties stand for?

But that shit was all founded post sykes pico anyways.

... what the fuck does Sykes-Picot have to do with the US?

Correct attribution of causes has NOTHING to do with apologia.

So you admit, then, that attributing the genocides of the USSR and PRC, which included mass executions, ethnic cleansing, and targeted famines, to a little accident all caused by Lysenko was inaccurate?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I never denied famines or the gulag system, I specifically said the gulag system was a horrible system of political persecution.

If Gaza was suddenly powerful, youd see a horrible series of massacres against Israelis. After the french revolution you had a horrible series of executions and white terror.

Systems of Authoritarian oppression often occur after revolutions, during famines, or during times of instability. That's human nature in all systems.

What Lysenko did to perpetuate famines (to maintain his position) was in no way small. Now you're minimizing the undesired and unintended famines.

They were directed politically after the fact but neither China nor Russia wanted them. No government actively wants a famine... Yet you'll happily attribute it to these two governments in particular.

Are there other national famines you incorrectly think were desired by governments/ideologies?

...and I'm not talking about artificial shortages such as in Ireland, Bengal, or the concentration camps of the boer war... You know, Colonial famines.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago

They were directed politically after the fact but neither China nor Russia wanted them. No government actively wants a famine… Yet you’ll happily attribute it to these two governments in particular.

Are there other national famines you incorrectly think were desired by governments/ideologies?

…and I’m not talking about artificial shortages such as in Ireland, or the concentration camps of the boerwar… You know, Colonial famines.

"No government actively wants a famine... except for those non-red fascist states!"

Sorry that you believe that colonialism cannot be performed by an imperialist state with a long history of colonialism, if it has a coat of red paint. We - or rather, you - are done here.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I never denied famines

This you?

You are incorrect, the mass famines of the USSR and CCP were mostly caused by a single conman, named Trofim Lysenko, who was lying about agricultural techniques/results in order to keep his job (taking his bag like a true economic opportunist):

or the gulag system,

This you?

It feels like a false equivalence to compare liberal-in-name governments to socialist-in-name governments after the horrors that the USSR and CCP unleashed upon the world.

To that point, even the Gulag system whilst being a horrible and targeted system of political persecution, even there the vast majority of victims survived (1 million died in Gulags, 17 million survived). So you’re adopting misinformation because you’re coopted into Capitalism.

Systems of Authoritarian oppression often occure after revolutions, during famines, or during times of instability. That’s human nature.

So now we've moved on from "There weren't horrors and even if there were, it wasn't their fault" to "Everyone does it when stressed"

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wait, but if you're quoting them acknowledging it....

....then you claim they were saying "there weren't horrors".... isn't that a bit like trying to have your cake and eat it too? They were either denying it, or actively discussing it - and it doesn't look like they were denying it (just discussing the causes in a way you don't like).

Are you a Tankie?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wait, but if you’re quoting them acknowledging it….

In the same dubious way that 'acknowledging' there was 'unrest' at Tiananmen Square whilst blaming the protesters is acknowledging the Tiananmen Square massacre, fucking sure.

They were either denying it, or actively discussing it - and it doesn’t look like they were denying it

"It happened but it was just a little mistake by one man, no one involved really wanted it and they all tried to stop it!"

If someone said that about the Holocaust, would that be:

A. Denialism

OR

B. Not denialism?

Fucking forget it. One post here, and one test post on ML three months ago?