We, the admin team, decry all forms of settler-colonialism, and we recognize that Zionism is a pro-settler-colonialist position.
Therefore we propose that should no longer be accepting of any Zionist accounts on our instances.
Please upvote for agree, downvote for disagree.
Note: we only count votes by instance members of dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus, plus a few vouched-for external users.
Hi mateys, I've kept things simple in the above text, for brevity, but in fact it took the admin team quite a while to get to this stage. We have discussed the policy change extensively, and a variety of different perspectives emerged. I will attempt to sum them up below as best I can:
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The "this isn't that complicated" school of thought goes something like this: If someone is consistently posting comments that mirror Hasbara talking points (e.g. justifying the genocide in Gaza, consistently painting Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the victim), then they should be instance banned. It's just not acceptable for Zionists to be allowed on our instances.
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The "slippery slope" / "purity test" school of thought is that banning people for having an "unpopular" political opinion would potentially mean banning half the fediverse, if more and more of these policies were enacted over time. To attempt to mitigate this we are keeping the scope of this rule as narrow as possible, and I also don't think many of our users will be affected. Also, we typically don't have frequent policy changes, and I have no reason to expect that to change moving forward.
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Another important discussion point was "how do we decide whether someone is pro-Zionist or not?" We can't always be 100% sure of someone's true intentions, we can only go on what they have posted and that is subject to interpretation. I don't feel there is an easy answer to this one, except to say that we would have to be pretty certain before issuing a perma-ban.
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The "geopolitics don't matter" school of thought is that trying to be on the "correct" side of every issue is kind of pointless because nothing that happens in lemmy chat forums will ever make an ounce of difference in the real world. Don't bother moderating users over political/ideological differences, just let people argue if they want. While I can totally empathize with this sentiment, I can also see the case for taking a clear stance on this topic in accordance with our values and the overwhelming support for the Palestinian cause among our users. Personally, I am advocating in favor of the resolution.
Please add your comments below if you want to provide your own thoughts on the topic, or have any questions.
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Oh I see, so you're just flat out putting words in my mouth then.
Israel is committing genocide. The settlers are criminals. Netenyahu should be in a dark, cold prison. There is no question about these things. I'm just not going to sit here and pretend the solution can be one-sided. Either both sides admit fault in the conflict, and recognize the legitimate needs and desires of the people on the other side, and try to move forward from there, or it's just more endless conflict over land that has been at the center of dispute for thousands of years. You can't ignore thousands of years of conflict and act like the last 80 years are the only that matter. That's delusional.
I didn't . You shamelesly defended settler colonialism over and over again. And you claimed that i support hamas murder of civilians and wsr crimes. Despite explicitly saying the exsct opposite
The PA recognize Israel and Israel is still stealing more land despite it. The only reason there is no peace is Israel and all the other countries backing it . These country you said you want to trust in admistering Palestine
Conflicts always existed everybody since the start of humanity you racist.
You mean you said you don't support something but were ignored and told you support it anyway? Gosh and golly that sure sounds familiar.
I do not support Israeli colonialism and I do not defend it. You are a zealot who cannot accept that Israeli aggression isn't the only problem in the region that needs to be addressed.
You literally defended the idea that foreigners coming to the land and force a state on Palestinians and started with your bullshit of pogroms against jews that Palestinians has zero involvement in them. You claimed that the conflict is a thousand year old which is false . You literally repeated the words of the fool Trump because you are a fool like him. It is very clear that you are a racist who think the region can never live in peace and that other regions should come and civilize them just like racist Europeans settlers claimed that they wanted to civilize indigenous peoples.
I told you how PA recognize Israel yet Israel keep stealing more land it is very clear that the only problem is Israel, it's genice enablers and racist people like you .
Calling me a zealot is a badge of honor. Any decent people should be a zealot against settler colonialism and not shift some blame from the oppressors to the oppressed like scum like you do
I am pretty sure you racist if you lived during Nat Turner revolt where some children of slave owners was murdered you would spew the bullshit about how both slaves owners and slaves didn't want peace and wanted to kill each others
I said it was my preferred solution. Not that I would personally force anything on anyone.
Zealotry is always wrong. If you stop thinking, stop questioning, stop seeking to understand the people you're dealing with, you will only make things worse.
Just as you say you don't believe me, I don't believe you either. I think you view the crimes perpetrated against Jews as deserved.
We're at an impasse. I'm done here.
Your preferred solution is a racist one
Right, I forgot international coalitions for peace are racist because it doesn't leave the people who are murdering each other to figure it out on their own 🙄 Your propaganda is gross
No, you are racist because you portrayed the Middle East as a land full of people who have been trying to kill each other for a thousand years, and that the only solution is to have fucking Western hypocrites who have been selling weapons to Israel to kill innocent civilians, maintain the occupation, and portray that force as a fair one that will ensure peace.