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Let's hope for the best! Currently it looks like there's a single party system devoid of meaningful opposition and capitalism is running rampant as long as it serves the party's interests, but maybe they'll eventually become a real democracy.
Inevitably, this will lead to de-globalisation and I think this can be a good thing, as long as the world powers including China finally do something about climate change and other man-made horrors.
Thanks for all of the links, you did great work and provided interesting food for thought. I looked at some of them and choose to not engage further with this. I don't really understand where you're coming from as you refuted points I didn't even make – like equating the existence of billionaires with the absence of socialism and similarly, conflating outsourcing as the single criterion for imperialism.
I disagree but you have nice graphs, I hope China keeps developing into the right direction.
China is already democratic. The fact that it has a unitary socialist democracy rather than a liberal, multi-party democracy does not mean that they are not ruled by the majority. They practice Whole Process People's Democracy, a form of democracy heavily reliant on the Mass Line. Further, they are socialist, not capitalist, private property itself is not capitalism, nor is said private property "running rampant," but instead is relegated to the small and medium secondary industries.
To the contrary, China is fostering genuine globalization and is taking dramatic climate action, including combatting desertification and providing cheap solar panels to the global south.
I covered all the usual bases liberals use when declaring China isn't socialist. The point on outsourcing is that you previously tried to claim China does "the exact same things" as the west, so I drew a hard line between them.
They will, thanks to their comprehensively democratic system and the mechanisms fueling positive change in China.
But I'm neither a liberal nor declaring China isn't doing some kind of socialism. It's not a socialism I personally like but that's my preference, I prefer the so called concordance democracy over a party system in general. The only country I know who are doing this often is Switzerland, but they have other issues (like high cost of living and xenophobia/lack of diversity).
Your framing of socialism is very liberal, such as conflating it with taxation in the boundaries of capitalism. If you don't explicitly state what you are, I can only make assumptions, and thus cover my own bases. Switzerland for example is not socialist, but instead capitalist, and funds its safety nets through imperialism (same as Germany). Further, China is closer to a consensus-based democracy than Switzerland is due to the nature of the capitalist system in Switzerland, so I don't really see your issue with China.
I didn't state Switzerland is purely socialist, but that I prefer concordance democracy as a subtype of socialist democracy, which is the prevalent in Switzerland, in contrast to the type of socialism prevalent in China.
Obviously China is consensus based as there is only a single political party. But China does not employ concordance democracy, which I prefer to a single party system.
Can you please also define what "liberal" means to you?
China has 8 sub-parties that help guide state policy, they just don't have equal footing to the CPC.
As for liberalism, by that I mean the kind of competition-focused, individualist, private-property supporting ideology backing capitalism. Liberal democracy focuses on competing parties all representing capitalist interests, which creates disunity instead of cohesion.