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[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

is secretly fascist

If you're going to reply to my comment, respond to what I actually said. I didn't say it's secretly fascist, I said it traffics in fascist tropes. Fascist tropes such as, for instance:

[CW: racism, antisemitism, transphobia]"Certain races are born evil. Even the children think only of your own race's destruction, and that is why you must commit defensive genocide against them to protect your own race."

  • "The Jew always lives from the blood of other peoples, he needs such murders and such sacrifices. The victory will be only entirely and finally achieved when the whole world is free of Jews." - Julius Streicher
  • "Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians!...Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice." - John Chivington
  • "I wouldn’t have accepted that [Tutsis] were human beings. You would see an infant who’s just learning to smile, and it smiles at you, but you still kill it." - anonymous Hutu
  • "Every [Chinese] ... was treated as a Boxer, by the Russian and French troops, and the slaughter of men, women, and children, in retaliation, was revolting." - Roger Keyes
  • "Yes, I'm the one who said 'without the kids, you can leave.' Because all the trouble starts with the kids. Your nation doesn't deserve to exist." - unnamed Nazi officer, Come And See

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"Certain races are inherently untrustworthy."

  • "The Jews are masters at fitting in to their surroundings without in any way changing their nature. They are mimics. They have a natural instinct that senses danger, and their drive for self-preservation usually gives them effective ways and means to escape danger at no risk to their lives or any need for courage. It is difficult to detect their sly and slippery ways. One has to be an experienced student of the Jews to recognize what is happening." - Joseph Goebbels
  • "Islamic law unambiguously splits the world into two perpetually warring halves — the Islamic world versus the non-Islamic — and holds it to be God’s will for the former to subsume the latter. Yet if war with the infidel is a perpetual affair, if war is deceit, and if deeds are justified by intentions — any number of Muslims will naturally conclude that they have a divinely sanctioned right to deceive, so long as they believe their deception serves to aid Islam 'until all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to God.'" - Rami Zahra
  • "In the Jewish lawbook 'Talmud' the Jews are told that the possessions of gentiles were 'ownerless property,' which the Jew was allowed to obtain through deceit and cheating." - Julius Streicher
  • "The Chinese will cheat at anything if given the chance." - a Reddit comment with over 300 upvotes

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"Empathy for the other is naive and stupid. They may look human, but they're actually just monsters in human guise. Empathy for them is a suicidal mistake that will only get your own people killed."

  • "Just look at the insane inversions we tolerate daily: we prefer illegal migrants over our own legal citizens and veterans, permit drug addicts to threaten children’s safety in parks, and elevate transgender 'women' above biological women in sports and safe spaces. Common sense is dying in a deluge of misguided compassion." - Gad Saad
  • "Christianity, or perhaps Churchianity, tends to endorse suicidal collective behaviors. Progressives and Christians eagerly strive to outdo each other in how thoroughly they get cuckolded. Note how Christians and progressives both demonstrate superior holiness by adopting subsaharan blacks – who tend to grow into adult subsaharan blacks, with consequences as disturbing as adopting a baby chimpanzee." - Jim, of Jim's Blog
  • "The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you." - common antisemitic proverb
[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is "these magical predatory animals are basically born in SS uniforms and are naturally inclined to do fascist things and orchestrate a fascist society" a flawed and problematic premise? Sure, it could have been done better, but ultimately the demons are bad because they are fascists, because they act like fascists and do typical fascist things. The conceit behind them is "what if a predatory magical animal species that's basically a walking weapon of mass destruction became sapient" rather than equating the elitist, extremely stratified, racial supremacist warrior empire to powerless real-world marginalized groups that elitist, extremely stratified, racial supremacist warrior empires claim are sneaky infiltrators trying to destroy everything from within.

The demons also notably exist as a discrete power bloc, and the only examples of them being sneaky are one attempt at perfidy - something the US and its allies frequently do - and one case of a captured demon demonstrating a confused and alien sort of morality when humans try treating her like a pet.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Is "these magical predatory animals are basically born in SS uniforms and are naturally inclined to do fascist things and orchestrate a fascist society" a flawed and problematic premise?

I think yes, because they are sapient - meaning they're created (by the authors) in the image of humans and this naturally (because they're a race in the narrative) makes them read as an allegory for human "races", hence the appeal for chuds. I understand that probably wasn't the intent of the writers, but if not, it seems like it was poor execution on their part.

It's never going to be a good idea to have a "race" in fiction that is actually evil by nature, I think.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Is "these magical predatory animals are basically born in SS uniforms and are naturally inclined to do fascist things and orchestrate a fascist society" a flawed and problematic premise? Sure, it could have been done better

That's all I wanted.

Look, I don't think liking Frieren automatically makes someone a fascist or that it was intentionally created as a work of fascist propaganda or that there's nothing about it that points to a reading of demons as aristocrats/capitalists/what-have-you. I have no patience for bona fide fascists and if I thought all Frieren fans were just fascists I wouldn't have bothered with that effortpost.

Everyone likes problematic media, myself included. But I don't hesitate to acknowledge the reactionary undercurrents in media I like, nor to I blame anyone who finds those undercurrents repellent to the point of not wanting to engage with that media, and that's a courtesy that should be extended to everyone.

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