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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

They have touched guns lmao where have you been? In my state you can't even buy .22lr ammo without a long gun permit. Full auto has been illegal without an FFL since the 30s. Clinton banned hundred of guns based on aesthetic features that didn't change anything about their functionality but looked scary. In his last term trump banned bump stocks nationwide via an executive order. Does that sound like "shall not be infringed" to you?

The question is why do so Americans accept their rights being watered down, and why do so many like you encourage this behavior? The constitution contains instructions on how to change the constitution. If you don't like the second amendment, change it. Stop finding weasely little workarounds that chisel away at our rights a little at a time.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

You're right, I was exaggerating. There are some extremely loose, weak gun controls that mean every 11 year old isn't able to buy a machine gun. This is included in the amendment, the "well regulated militia" part, it's basically the only reason there are any gun control laws at all. Even so, the laws that do exist are very loose compared to any other English speaking country.

But why? The "well regulated militia" part could have been interpreted to say that you have to join a militia to own a gun, or that you have to pass rigorous tests and renew your license and undergo home inspections, or make gun auctions illegal so that every gun owner can be registered and tracked. That would all have been perfectly in-line with the 2nd Amendment.

We didn't do that. The question is, why?

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

We didn't do that. The question is, why?

Because that's not what the authors intended. Because words may change meaning over time but intent does not. Because in 1791 "well regulated" meant "well equipped", not "overseen by the government" and the federalist papers go into great detail backing that up.

We've covered this already. If you don't like the bill of rights, change it. Don't go looking for loopholes like a sovcit.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

That's Scalia's interpretation, but that's not how it was always interpreted. Why do you think they were able to ban machine guns in the first place, and then have it upheld by the Courts for going-on 100 years? It was believed that a "well regulated militia" should refer to actual militias, not just "any random asshole that can afford a gun". That was the common interpretation for a century.

That's the trick - it can be interpreted however we want. It's all made up. It used to mean one thing, then it meant something else.

So, the question is, why did the interpretation change? Did Scalia just really love freedom? Or was there, maybe, another agenda?

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

That's Scalia's interpretation, but that's not how it was always interpreted.

That's also James Madison's interpretation, per Federalist Paper #46. The same James Madison who coauthored the constitution.

That's the trick - it can be interpreted however we want. It's all made up. It used to mean one thing, then it meant something else.

So youre essentially advocating for Orwell's newspeak, then.