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This binary catastrophe/non-catastrophe dichotomy is a myth and actively harmful propaganda promulgated by the fossil fuel industry. Yes it is too late to prevent the terrible, irreversible effects of climate change.
But every additional tonne of CO2 makes the effects even worse. It's not like "oh, we've locked in catastrophe, we can throw up our hands, there's nothing left to do." No, it's a gradient of severity, and it gets worse the less we do.
Hundreds of millions, billions are going to die from climate change. That is a catastrophe. WhyEssEff was considering/hoping that being avoidable, I'm saying it wasn't. You and I agree on that.
Yea I also agree with you that more ghg makes the effect worse, makes catastrophe worse, all that. Didn't say we should throw up our hands. I was just trying to say that its going to be catastrophically bad (again hundreds of millions to billions) and that it isn't avoidable. Totally agree with you we should make it the least bad catastrophe possible. I'd much rather 2 billion then 4, or have a bit better quality of life, etc. Definitely not worth giving up and not dropping emissions as fast as we possibly can.
Yeah exactly, unless she means she's absolutely certain that human extinction will happen.