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I've always gotten the strange vibe that American media and history models the Confederacy as a fully separate nation (swear I played an RTS game back in the day that treated it as a unique civilization).
The US Civil War is seen as an act of nation building, which is why in the documentary movie “National Treasure: Book of Secrets” Nick Cage says that before the Civil War people said ‘the United States are’ and after ‘the United States is’. More seriously, at least in liberal theory the South was a nation. From a paid article by Big Serge, someone i would call a well read liberal:
More materially, the capital used to jumpstart the London Stock Exchange ultimately originated in the primitive accumulation of chattel slavery in the US South. The low cost of the cotton made mills in Liverpool profitable, and that allowed for finance to emerge. The Confederacy thought during the war that Britain would bail them out because of their economic inter-linkages. Now, Britain was actually engaged in imperial expansion in Egypt and India for more cotton under their control, and didn’t really mind. But for over 200 years, slaves worked in particular parts of North America to produce raw materials and those were processed in England.
By contrast, the Union was a shipbuilding pit stop in colonial times. Lumber, pitch, hemp, shipyards, and rum distillation were what the Empire wanted. The various English colonies in North America had different laws and different economic purposes. Famously, before the war, the South preferred to send cotton to England instead of mills in the North, effectively subsidizing their competitors. The rules and structure of settling westward and stealing more native land were also bound by the competition of northern yeomen farmers and proto-industry vs southern plantation owners and highly militarized lower classes.
It might be wrong to technically call them a nation, but the alternative would be something like “for 100 some years, half the country fought tooth and nail for how much they loved slavery”. Better PR to call them a totally separate enemy. And since this is the Union that made slavery legal in prisons where settler citizens can’t see instead of banning it, PR counts for something.
Some great answers here, but to try to give a "more marxist" view of the question ( also highly recommend Black Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. DuBois. Easily the best and most in-depth overview of the pre-civil war to post-reconstruction area I've read.) To pull a couple of quotes:
Quote 2:
TL:DR on this is that the Civil war was a fight between two different economic modes, the south was essentially still a feudalist, agriculture-based economy while the north was an industrial, capitalist economy. This came to a head in the American west, where the south essentially needed to expand to keep their economic system viable:
So yes, I would argue that they would be considered two separate nations in the Marxist sense (remember that in Marxism and the National Question Stalin describes a nation as "a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture"). I would argue that without the shared economic life the US would not be considered a nation in the lead up to the civil war.
There is also the discussion about the post-civil war and the fact that black people in the south could be considered a distinct nation but this comment is already too long haha. I would recommend Black Bolshevik by Harry Haywood if you're interested in that side of things.
Answering the first question, the Confederacy had a functioning national government by the time Abraham Lincoln officially became President in March 1861 including a provisional constitution and President. The American civil war was primarily between two governmental entities trying to assert control over the same territory. In video games, it is easy to model the Confederate rebellion as a nation since it acted and functioned as a nation until its dissolution.
In contrast, a lot of other civil wars are usually between different political groups of various qualities of organization until a cease fire, internal peace agreement, or capitulation of other sides is reached. The Russian Civil War was mainly between two government like entities combined with several other armies with different political goals. The Spanish Civil War had a much larger mix of cobelligerent political groups