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Some great answers here, but to try to give a "more marxist" view of the question ( also highly recommend Black Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. DuBois. Easily the best and most in-depth overview of the pre-civil war to post-reconstruction area I've read.) To pull a couple of quotes:
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TL:DR on this is that the Civil war was a fight between two different economic modes, the south was essentially still a feudalist, agriculture-based economy while the north was an industrial, capitalist economy. This came to a head in the American west, where the south essentially needed to expand to keep their economic system viable:
So yes, I would argue that they would be considered two separate nations in the Marxist sense (remember that in Marxism and the National Question Stalin describes a nation as "a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture"). I would argue that without the shared economic life the US would not be considered a nation in the lead up to the civil war.
There is also the discussion about the post-civil war and the fact that black people in the south could be considered a distinct nation but this comment is already too long haha. I would recommend Black Bolshevik by Harry Haywood if you're interested in that side of things.