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So if Mozilla is turning into mozzarella, what's the best next alternative?
I like Librewolf on my PC. It shuts down a bunch of stuff right off he bat.
I'm looking for some recommendations for android devices.
Can second LibreWolf, though you have to be aware that it tweaks quite a few things in the name of privacy that you may want to turn back on.
For example, I was unable to use my FoundryVTT webapp until I re-enabled WebGL in the settings. Which reminds me, I need to see if that feature can be whitelisted per-domain or if it's all-or-nothing...
So, for those, I keep another, less private browser around. Like chromium or Water Fox.
Man, missed opportunity there on WaterFox. Could've been WaterBear lol
edit: tardigrade joke, though I imagine most will catch that.
Ha yeah. it plays hell with AboveVTT too. Tookvme a while to work out it was that.
Go with ironfox on android. Can't recommend fennec they skip updates
i use ironfox, it works for me, haven't tried anything else.
At this point I use tour for most things, with ironfox as a quick fallback.
right now i think the best android browser is ironfox
Libreworlf(PC) /waterfox & fennec (phone) right now. Have my eye on ladybird for the future
Be careful fennec skips updates
fennec is the best ff fork on android imho and pretty much exactly like librewolf with it's defaults, it's on fdroid. i also see ironfox recommended but i haven't tried it personally. it's prolly good, too.
What is with the antifeatures listed for it on f-droid? "This app tracks and reports your activity" "connects to various Mozilla services that can track users".
didn't realize that. it apparently leaves some mozilla telemetry enabled that you can disable by going to about:config and searching 'telemetry' to quickly find all options and set to false. this makes me want to check out ironfox now.
Over biggest problem with fennec is that they skip regular Firefox updates
Are they skipping minor bug/tweak/feature stuff or security patching?
For example they skip everything between 145.0.0 - 146.0.0. I once asked the fdroid team about it and they were like if I was affected by those crashes. It's like if it doesn't crash don't touch
Weird. I guess solely from a stability standpoint it makes some sense. Or from a limited Dev team. But not much else makes much sense for skipping all that.
Ironfox is excellent
Duckduckgo for Android works for me.
Booo, now they got an AI image generator.
Yeah, the more ai by default DDG puts in, the more I look elsewhere. AI assists wouldn't bother me nearly as much if it was all opt-out by default and a toggle to opt in.
I unironically use https://servo.org/ from time to time for light surfing like researching something on wikipedia.
It breaks on most modern websites especially SPAs of course its like super alpha but its heading in the right direction its great to have a alternative showing up in times like this.
Still have Firefox with all AI disabled for heavy usage and stuff like banking.
I might use that for an app.
I want a spreadsheet app that uses SQLite and runs with GUI on both macOS and Linux.
This feels like it would get the job done. I don’t want to use electron for the obvious reasons.
Tauri has servo support in development. https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/ i would assume support has gotten only better since this post was created.
Sounds very useful, BTW.
Yeah, I love spreadsheets, I love databases.
I hate Excel. Numbers is the only spreadsheet software with a good presentation layer, but it has awful functionality. I don’t want a db table viewer/editor, I want a spreadsheet.
Why not have a non-proprietary open format (SQLite) back my spreadsheets. You could port it to any front end you want, and the format will never go away.
There are a few browsers/browser engines in the works, but right now you could try a Firefox fork
Just started with waterfox today, seems pretty good so far
I would be wary. iirc, water fox was owned by an ad agency for a few years
And now it's not. The original developer bought it back a couple of years ago.
The bigger issue is that, like with all of the Firefox forks, it's still using the Firefox code base and security updates, which is what's about to go absolutely sideways. Removing the AI translator is one thing, but it sounds like they're planning on totally fucking it all up at its core.
With no usable Firefox to use as a base, all of the forks are set to die on the vine.
Good to know about the change in ownership. I wonder if that's why they were so radio silent on updates for so long. During that time, I flipped to Floorp, which I've been pretty happy with.
Servo and Ladybird are in the works. They're both new browsers built from scratch, but they're both largely still in alpha
... Servo appears to be missing a huge opportunity by not having an ansgty gumball machine mascot.
Waterfox.
Uh, in lieu of a mascot that I do not think they officially have:
(Author unknown, someone on Pinterest somewhere?)
Beyond a functionality/usability focus, check out that built in Oblivious DNS, DoH solution.
That's just a vaporeon
Correct.
But it is an adorable Vaporeon.
That's fair
Firefox forks seem decent. Besides the aforementioned Waterfox, Fennec so far seems good too, people seem to like LibreWolf, and likely I'm forgetting some other fork.
Fennec has been working well for me on Android, I I've been using Waterfox on Bazzite via flatpak for almost a year, good stuff, and I think the other fork you're forgetting is maybe... IronFox?
Possibly. Also about Waterfox, they also have a portable version for Linux, which for me is pretty important.