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Pretty hard to say since they both go so far back, and in past times there was no distinction between them.
Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world.
Banning religion is just replacing one master with another. No thanks.
You often don't have the autonomy to not participate in religion as a child if your parents want you to.
True but I mean no one respects child autonomy anyway, so we would need to levy that criticism far more widely if we want to take it seriously.
Plus I'm not sure I trust governments to protect child welfare more than their parents do. Parents are imperfect but when governments get it wrong the consequences are far more catastrophic.
yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don't remotely accomplish this and do the opposite
With the lack of social acceptance for those of a different mindset, choosing differently usually makes one's life significantly more difficult than is justifiable. Therefore, no - it may technically be "voluntary," but the reality doesn't come close to matching that ideal.
Fair but it's still more voluntary than stupid attempts by the government to tell people how to dress.
The solution is to cultivate an educated, tolerant culture. This rule is a step in the opposite direction.
How we dress or adorn ourselves is a fundamental part of human freedom of expression and I think it needs to be taken way more seriously than it typically is in most societies.
I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock's manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example.