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A Democratic mayor for Miami is not just Trump backlash – it’s a seismic shift
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Slow and steady wins the race
Nope. That's exactly why Hilary lost.
Then why did Biden win?
He won because Trump failed to steal the election after a once in a century pandemic. That's who he was running against. Then after 4 years we all got secondary amnesia from watching Biden.
He still got the most votes of any president ever. He got double the votes of Bernie in the primary.
The people want neolib bullshit. It's stupid of them to want, but it is what they want. We gotta change their minds on a massive scale before we can expect them to change so drastically.
I don't think people care about ideology as much as we are told. Just call it affordability.
He also got pathetic votes. If he had a progressive against him (at the televized debates, on all ballots), he would have lost by a landslide
That's pure speculation, you're just claiming what you wish would happen with zero evidence or justification.
People want to eat (the rich)
I think you overestimate the class consciousness of the average American voter. Biden didn't get "pathetic votes", he got the most votes of any president ever. Even just proportionately, all the presidents in the last century with a clear majority win have been neolib types.
People don't want to eat the rich, people wanna eat hamburgers and play video games. You and your little online message board friends (myself included) want to eat the rich, and if you spend all your time here you might fool yourself into thinking the average American has a somewhat elevated class consciousness. They do not.
My work brings me in contact with all sorts of people across all strata of life. The average person just kinda muddles through life, they don't really spend any particular length of time thinking about anything really, whatever their favorite diversion is perhaps (games, sports, TV, movies, etc.).
I personally talked to a surprising number of people who, after the election, thought Biden was the candidate in 2024. People genuinely just do not care. They have basically no media literacy, no knowledge of current events, no general practice of critical thinking.
We're not gonna get a progressive president before the general class consciousness shifts significantly. What we can get is an FDR type who will at least talk to the progressives at the table, and then get progressive to the table.
Slow and steady, comrade snail.
I think you underestimate the class consciousness of the average US American.
Most people who can vote, don't vote. Give them a progressive candidate, not some obvious corporate puppet, and people will elect them.
Then why did Biden beat Bernie in the primary?
Because Bernie isn't a democrat. He's a progressive.
Democrats want people that are corrupt and favor policy for rich people and big businesses
Yes, he's a progressive, that's my point. When the people were presented a neolib and a progressive, the neolib doubled the progressive's votes. Primaries are decided by voters.
My point is that the only people who voted in that primary were Democrats, which is not a party of progressives, nor do they represent the average US American
And my point is that your assessment of the average American is not supported by evidence. I would certainly wish that the average American would be in support of a progressive candidate, but there are no facts to support it. We can't direct strategy with wishful speculation. We have to suit our strategies to the actual conditions of the environment in which we live.