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[–] Aliktren@lemmy.world 101 points 4 days ago (16 children)

They arent alone, eu, uk, the nordics. canada, australia, japan, taiwan, and a bunch of other nations all have common cause

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

They arent alone

Yes agreed , it's been imo dramatically portrayed as we have been overly dependant on the US to take the lead after WWII. They were able to cut through most internal divisions, and now its enterily up to us.

Time to feel more confident and step out in the World, not as post-WWII Europe or an infant sucking at anyone's tits, but as self conscious and aware Union with it's own character, values and way of life.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How about falling to fascism and alignment with Russia or the USA, one country at a time? The process of undermining European democracy internally is already well underway.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How about falling to fascism

That would stop in the moment the other party (parties) would start to be a responsible party and not a driven_by_the_ideology_of_ the_day party.

What you call fascist in reality is mostly the right that started to talk about real problems that the left choose to ignore (if not making them worst) and then get elected.
True, there are some real fascists here and there and they are extremist but overall they are a minority of the right (and, tbh, these extremist are present also on the left and everything in between).

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That would stop in the moment the other party (parties) would start to be a responsible party and not a driven_by_the_ideology_of_ the_day party

Good point and very likely too. The moderate and left parties need to reinvent and redefine themselves better.

But imo simply talking about " the real issues " will not help us, and most solutions the (more) rightwinged parties offer are just false. The worries people have are real but comsider that this fear is also used for fear mongering and are often fed by propaganda.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But imo simply talking about " the real issues " will not help us,

Probably it will not help to solve the problem, but at least it is a start. True, you need then to act on the issues...

and most solutions the (more) rightwinged parties offer are just false.

... and you are right here. The rightwinged often offer solutions that are doomed to fail but at least they try.

More importantly, if you talk and act on these, you don't leave the scene to just one side.

The worries people have are real but comsider that this fear is also used for fear mongering and are often fed by propaganda.

That's the point, but let's be honest: if we ignore the extremists on both sides, the right began to win exactly when the left decide to commit suicide following ideas and objectives which, while obviously deserving, are not what people were asking to act about.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That's the point, but let's be honest: if we ignore the extremists on both sides..

Ok , needed to read that sentence 3 times.

Tbh, I dont think I'm not actually ignoring them, though yes, they both get under my skin. I do believe that polarisation is a big issue, that's apart from the question who is actually right or wrong. I also think that sofar, I haven't seen any good or "easy" solution. Our isues are unique and complex, and sometimes solutions take time. So I guess we probably have to be confident we as a society will somehow find a way, without shutting eachother out. That means understanding. Fear for change or fear for too little change, for one could be a commonality. For now, in these trying times, maybe having a Government that mostly sort of works might be a great miracle already. I'm just saying..how do we even measure or compare it all? I don't know.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How about falling

Yeah how about that? The rise of Facism is most certainly not uniquely a European problem for starters, they are growing roots everywhere There is a whole worldwide culture war going on.

The undermining of Europe has existed for a long while now actually; let's say since after the construction of the Berlin wall. The difference now is that's concentrated in the resurgence of the extreme right, also it seems more widespread , and the last years the efforts by US and or RF and CCP have intensified.

In a very weird way Europe should really thank the UK for the Brexit. If that event hadn't shook Europe to it's core, the anti-EU lobby would now have had a much stronger grip.

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